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eddiewould
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 Posted - 2007/06/11 : 02:20:29
Hey, looking at getting into DJing.
Right now I'm considering a pair of either CDJ200's or the Numark CDX's. Other than being Pioneer, what are the advantages of getting the CDJ200's? The motorized platter of the CDX seems like a big win to me... but then I've never done this :)
As far as price goes... they're basically the same
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tunnelrush
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Posted - 2007/06/11 : 04:46:37
the pioneers will be more accurate as far as beat matching goes.
the numarks are touch-sensitive (200's not) so you can stop/start with your touch.
basically depends on what type of approach you want.
plan on mobile gigging? only making mixes?
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/06/11 : 23:01:04
It will be bedroom stuff initially :) but may move to mobile gigging
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/06/11 : 23:29:14
Id prefer to have the cdj100's and spend the saved money on more tunes
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/06/12 : 00:58:19
JAX: So you say the difference between the CDJ100s and CDJ200s is not worth the extra?
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tunnelrush
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Posted - 2007/06/12 : 07:03:16
quote:
Originally posted by eddiewould:
It will be bedroom stuff initially :) but may move to mobile gigging
that's exactly how i started. got me some simple touch-sensitive 9's to bedroom-dj and occasional mobile gig. they worked out great for both scenarios. i dont see why the CDX's would be any different (both products being from numark)
but im in love with my pio's so i can see why anyone would hands-down call their name.
If you're looking for a more interactive approach (having the music start stop with your fingers, emulate scratch sounds, make fx, AND have control doing it, id say get the cdx's.
if you want sharp, clean mixes and a unit that can still get the job done if you wanna mobile gig, id say get the pio's.
just my .02
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Dj Fonz
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Posted - 2007/06/12 : 07:18:13
Since you are starting off i will give you some advice
If ever you have the choice between some other brand and numark go with the other brand, more so if the other brand is pioneer, technics or vestax
IMO numark and gemini make the some of the worst equipment i have ever had the misfortune to use and at all costs i would avoid any of there stuff!
PS stanton is not far of them
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/06/12 : 09:00:31
I think it will be just basic mixing at the moment - eventually I'd like to get a Technics 1200 just for scratching :)
So for basic mixing (i.e beatmatching, *maybe* some simple loop stuff + effects), what are the main advantages of the CDJ-200 when compared with the CDJ-100 ?
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/06/12 : 10:00:36
Hmm from what I've read the main differences are
* MP3 support
* Finer pitch resolution (0.02% vs 0.1%)
I'm thinking this is going to be important, especially for hardcore (around 180bpm).
0.1% @ 180bpm = 1.8 BPM whereas 0.02% @ 180 = 0.36 BPM ...
Also, someone said the jog wheel on the 100 is higher quality than the 200.
Your thoughts?
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Torpex
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Posted - 2007/06/12 : 10:19:21
quote:
Originally posted by eddiewould:
Hmm from what I've read the main differences are
* MP3 support
* Finer pitch resolution (0.02% vs 0.1%)
I'm thinking this is going to be important, especially for hardcore (around 180bpm).
0.1% @ 180bpm = 1.8 BPM whereas 0.02% @ 180 = 0.36 BPM ...
MP3 support might be an advantage, although you'll probably want to burn audio CDs anyway - you never know what players you'll encounter in clubs. :)
And 0.1% @ 180bpm is actually 0.18 BPM, not 1.8. ;) This is perfectly enough for mixing hardcore.
I use CDJ100's quite often. They're solid players, you won't be disappointed.
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clarke101
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Posted - 2007/06/12 : 10:21:10
quote:
Originally posted by eddiewould:
Hmm from what I've read the main differences are
* MP3 support
* Finer pitch resolution (0.02% vs 0.1%)
I'm thinking this is going to be important, especially for hardcore (around 180bpm).
0.1% @ 180bpm = 1.8 BPM whereas 0.02% @ 180 = 0.36 BPM ...
Also, someone said the jog wheel on the 100 is higher quality than the 200.
Your thoughts?
Your sums are wrong to start with
0.1% of 180 = 0.180
0.02% of 180 = 0.036
mp3 support imo is pointless.
All it allows you to do is have more tracks on each cd, which means you spend more time trying to find the track your after. Its not like blank cd's are the same price as blank blu-ray's, they cost pennies.
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/06/12 : 10:25:56
Yes, excuse my sums :)
0.18 BPM vs 0.036 BPM - does it make a difference for smooth mixes? I'm quite picky - I like mixes to sound perfect...
I actually have to agree about the MP3 thing - a CD can hold probably 10 full length club tracks stored as CD-Audio, this is more than enough to write with a vivid/remember what is on each CD.
MP3 means 50 odd songs per disc - there's no way I'll remember what's on each CD, especially not when it's in a dark club :)
So it's just the 0.1% vs 0.02% issue then I guess :)
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Torpex
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Posted - 2007/06/12 : 12:23:58
The CDJ100 has a 100 mm pitch slider.
In the +/- 10% mode and with a 180 BPM track, 0.18 BPM translates into exactly 0.5 mm of the pitch slider move.
Ask yourself if you're going to make pitch adjustments finer than 0.5 mm. ;)
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Posted - 2007/06/12 : 16:06:22
quote:
Originally posted by Torpex:
The CDJ100 has a 100 mm pitch slider.
In the +/- 10% mode and with a 180 BPM track, 0.18 BPM translates into exactly 0.5 mm of the pitch slider move.
Ask yourself if you're going to make pitch adjustments finer than 0.5 mm. ;)
I use Denon S1000's, one advantage they have is fine tune buttons :) But in saying that I would recommend Pioneers just because they are the standard in clubs now, if you can DJ on pinoeers you can DJ in any club with CDJ's basically.
Don't buy for MP3 support, most players don't support all types of MP3's, also it takes much much longer to get the CD ready to play and selecting tracks takes longer and when have 3-4 mins to get the next tune ready and mixed in you dont want your CD players taking 20 seconds to load a CD.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/06/14 : 19:04:11
quote:
Originally posted by Torpex:
The CDJ100 has a 100 mm pitch slider.
In the +/- 10% mode and with a 180 BPM track, 0.18 BPM translates into exactly 0.5 mm of the pitch slider move.
Ask yourself if you're going to make pitch adjustments finer than 0.5 mm. ;)
You will.
When you mix on CDJs you look at the reading on the screen and adjust according to that. It's actually quite easy to go to full accuracy.
It's only 0,02% at 6% range though, at the 10% you'll use normally it's 0,05% I believe
And it makes a big difference. 0,1% is simply not enough. That's what I have on my rackmounts but I have to correct my mixing at least once if not twice every mix whereas I don't have to on CDJ-1000s.
I personally think it's worth the extra buck for 200s vs 100s.
I second the Numark sucking though, everything Numark is terrible.
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