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Alex BassJunkie
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 Posted - 2013/11/13 : 14:50:22
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OK off topic, but do you seriously live in Mexico now? or are you just visiting? You're from the UK right?
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yeah i'm from the Cardiff area in Wales, UK, but living in Cancun now with my fiance, been here nearly a year.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/11/13 : 14:53:08
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Originally posted by Alex BassJunkie:
OK off topic, but do you seriously live in Mexico now? or are you just visiting? You're from the UK right?
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yeah i'm from the Cardiff area in Wales, UK, but living in Cancun now with my fiance, been here nearly a year.
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ooh nice one! I was just in Cancun in April! Have you had a chance to visit all the areas south of Cancun? Akumal is just beautiful, and so was Lake Bacalar. Of course the ruins in Tulum are pretty damn amazing as well as the beach within the ruins. Oh and Gran Cenote was a great experience too if you haven't tried any of these you should!
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Alex BassJunkie
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Posted - 2013/11/13 : 18:03:40
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
ooh nice one! I was just in Cancun in April! Have you had a chance to visit all the areas south of Cancun? Akumal is just beautiful, and so was Lake Bacalar. Of course the ruins in Tulum are pretty damn amazing as well as the beach within the ruins. Oh and Gran Cenote was a great experience too if you haven't tried any of these you should!
Yeah, i had to go to Belize on a 6 hour bus trip to renew my 6 month Visa, went through Playa Del Carmen, Tulum, Lake Bacalar, and Chetumal, haven't had the chance to go to the Tulum Ruins yet, but i did stop at Bacalar, the lake was breathtaking, but as you know everything on the Mayan Riviera is breathtaking, never went to Gran Cenote as it was off the bus route, but am hoping to to Chichen Itza in a few weeks so that should be cool!
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Dyzphazia
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Posted - 2013/11/13 : 19:25:27
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Simply put, its Hardcore for creative & musically minded people. This may sound a bit harsh but the way I see it is it separates the narrow minded idiots from people who actually appreciate real talent & creative ideas.
Yup i would agree with that, it takes a lot of creativity to make music with emotion or mood, wether it be uplifting or dark, i've always thought of it as a Psy/Hard Trance/Acid Tech influenced sound that evokes a strong emotion and trance like state while listening.
And yep, only musically talented producers will excel at it, its more of an art than UK Hardcore, and 80% of UK Hardcore artists would struggle to make a really good freeform track due to the fact that a lot of them have no creativity or imagination. I'ts the real music in Hardcore, not some Hard kick 185 template with a generic Nexus lead running a god awful riff that has been made in 5 minutes by banging an empty head on a keyboard.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/11/13 : 22:56:33
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Originally posted by Alex BassJunkie:
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
ooh nice one! I was just in Cancun in April! Have you had a chance to visit all the areas south of Cancun? Akumal is just beautiful, and so was Lake Bacalar. Of course the ruins in Tulum are pretty damn amazing as well as the beach within the ruins. Oh and Gran Cenote was a great experience too if you haven't tried any of these you should!
Yeah, i had to go to Belize on a 6 hour bus trip to renew my 6 month Visa, went through Playa Del Carmen, Tulum, Lake Bacalar, and Chetumal, haven't had the chance to go to the Tulum Ruins yet, but i did stop at Bacalar, the lake was breathtaking, but as you know everything on the Mayan Riviera is breathtaking, never went to Gran Cenote as it was off the bus route, but am hoping to to Chichen Itza in a few weeks so that should be cool!
Awesome! Yea my cousin and I stayed overnight at Laguna Bacalar over at Villas Ecotucan, and we woke up early to go kayaking there through the mangroves. Man that was an awesome, but exhausting experience! The German couple running the place were really sweet.
When you decide to go to Tulum ruins, definitely head out early, so you can enjoy the beach. Take a backpack with the obvious essentials you would use for the beach, oh and take some snacks in case you get hungry. The ruins are a good size, but nothing like Chichen Itza. If you are not too tired, or have time for something else, find a cab that would take you to Gran Cenote. It's far enough that walking is not a good option. And schedule a time with the cab driver for pickup. Trust me this cenote is well worth it! Here's a pic of it
Also, there are some ruins not too far from there called Koba. They may be worth checking out too.
And there are tour buses sold at the ADO station that take you to Ik Kil cenote before reaching Chichen Itza. It actually is a nice idea, but this also limits you the time you would have at Chichen if you had just taken a direct ADO bus to chichen instead.
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Alex BassJunkie
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Posted - 2013/11/14 : 01:15:24
Yeah that looks pretty cool! time wouldn't really matter anyway if i was going to these places, i'd probably stay 2 or 3 days at them to see everything, i hate going to places for a day, you end up rushing and missing the good parts.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2013/11/14 : 01:29:05
Thankyou for everyones replies, massive help!
I've always enjoyed Freeform as generally being a little darker and having its trademark elements, but having the albility to do pretty much whatever it wants. There have been dark and heavy tracks, there have been very euphoric tracks, there have been tracks with amazing vocals, and tracks which are simply as wacky as wacky gets. There's a certain type I prefer, and I hope it makes a bit of a come back.
I suppose Freeform has its own kind of contrast. Musically, at the moment at least, it feels quite rigid. Not everything will pass as Freeform, and it doesn't make up for its namesake. However, the mood is completely the opposite. The last Freeform event I went to, Douglas was in a pink wig and the one before that everyone was in pants. The aura of Freeform is very care-free and enthusiastic, yet the music is very complex and trancey. Perhaps that's where the Free of Form element kicks in?
I kinda feel that Freeform is a lot more limited in type of track you can find recently. Luna-C has stated before that music swings between happier and dark every 5 years or so, so perhaps Freeform is darker atm. The style certainly seems to be very minimal with all the anti-drops in tracks. There aren't too many lighter, melodic tracks like there were 2007 sort of time. You listen to Bonkers 16 and it just strikes me, the FF CD, as being very diverse and different. I've yet to hear HU6 FF CD, but what I gather from AAO and the style the HBC boys are sporting, the genre has narrowed a little bit.
Anyway, perhaps just to keep conversation going, does anyone else agree with me that Freeform is a little more restricted and darker than it used to be 6 or 7 years ago?
Also, who strikes you as the best producers at the moment?
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/11/14 : 01:29:09
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Originally posted by Alex BassJunkie:
Yeah that looks pretty cool! time wouldn't really matter anyway if i was going to these places, i'd probably stay 2 or 3 days at them to see everything, i hate going to places for a day, you end up rushing and missing the good parts.
In that case you should consider spending the night at Chichen Itza, since at night there is a special light show on the El Castillo pyramid for those spending the night at the hotels within walking distance there. There's one hotel that has its own entrance to the ruins. Also, maybe a stay at Valladolid would be good to. There's nothing in that city, but it's the ruins Ek Balam that is of interest. When I was there in April they were still one of the only Mayan ruins in Mexico you could actually climb. Not sure if the rules have changed for that. You definitely can't climb Chichen Itza, the Tulum ruins or Coba.
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djyogi
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Posted - 2013/11/14 : 02:56:01
Freeform is a much more difficult genre of harder music to produce, in that regard it makes me appreciate it a lot more. When I need to escape freeform does it's magic and takes me to a place which makes me real life journey much more easier. Simply put, it's like a medicine which makes you escape from stress and pressure, it also works the way you want it to work.
In terms of energy, nothing compares to other hardcore genre's and I've been listening to rave music since 94.
All in all words can't describe what this genre means to some and how it has aided their life. There is a write up on Kevin Energy's site, not sure if it's still there of a guy who had been listening to freeform whilst he himself was a non raver, he credit kevin energy amongst others for making the genre as it made his career and family life go better as he got energy all the time from listening to it.
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TTE
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Posted - 2013/11/14 : 10:22:32
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Anyway, perhaps just to keep conversation going, does anyone else agree with me that Freeform is a little more restricted and darker than it used to be 6 or 7 years ago?
That really depends on the sort of Freeform you were listening to 7 years ago. I was listening to labels like Electronic and FiNRG Hard so newer Freefrom seems right at home. It's one of my favourite eras of Finnish Freeform. Dryad Machine for example!
I think you are right though, there's been a migration in popularity to the darker sounds but then I think popular freeform has got less musically complicated but more aggressive. That said, you only need to look at Rebuild, Thumpa is bringing loads of artists through who offer a much lighter and more uplifting trancey sound so there's is a real contrast out there!
The other thing that's important, there's plenty room for more, the genre is far from saturated in terms of Labels, Artists and sounds..
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Warnman
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Posted - 2013/11/14 : 19:25:11
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Perhaps that's where the Free of Form element kicks in?
To my personal understanding of this music I'd say that these elements are your personal influence you add to a track. And to my opinion Freeform is able to handle way more influences than Hardcore does without sounding shit or ridiculous.
You can add Happy Hardcore elements by adding nice vocals or a piano hook. Or use more Psytrance and Goatrance elements like FINRG does.
Even Dubstep isn't a problem if it's properly used. Kevin Energy did experimented with it and to my opinion he did a good job.
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2013/11/15 : 07:25:41
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Originally posted by Elipton: You listen to Bonkers 16 and it just strikes me, the FF CD, as being very diverse and different. I've yet to hear HU6 FF CD, but what I gather from AAO and the style the HBC boys are sporting, the genre has narrowed a little bit.
Seriously listen to our disc on HU6, we literally play every style.
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/11/15 : 08:00:56
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Originally posted by Elipton: You listen to Bonkers 16 and it just strikes me, the FF CD, as being very diverse and different. I've yet to hear HU6 FF CD, but what I gather from AAO and the style the HBC boys are sporting, the genre has narrowed a little bit.
Seriously listen to our disc on HU6, we literally play every style.
Don't use literally and every next to each other. I'm pretty sure there's more than 20 different hardcore styles :P. Unless, you ofcourse just mean Freeform.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/11/15 : 08:07:31
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Thumpa:
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Originally posted by Elipton: You listen to Bonkers 16 and it just strikes me, the FF CD, as being very diverse and different. I've yet to hear HU6 FF CD, but what I gather from AAO and the style the HBC boys are sporting, the genre has narrowed a little bit.
Seriously listen to our disc on HU6, we literally play every style.
Don't use literally and every next to each other.
They're not. There's a word separating them.
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/11/15 : 10:49:36
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Thumpa:
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Originally posted by Elipton: You listen to Bonkers 16 and it just strikes me, the FF CD, as being very diverse and different. I've yet to hear HU6 FF CD, but what I gather from AAO and the style the HBC boys are sporting, the genre has narrowed a little bit.
Seriously listen to our disc on HU6, we literally play every style.
Don't use literally and every next to each other.
They're not. There's a word separating them.
words, don't come easy, to me
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