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latininxtc
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 Posted - 2013/12/24 : 00:20:46
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i was put off keyes after the whole dj sy affair tbh
What was Keyes' part in the whole debacle?
And what did HTID ITS post for their reason as to not booking Keyes? I can't imagine that it's as cut & dry as when they left out Scott Brown that one year.
And personally I am not a fan of MCs in general I think they're a fucking waste of time in the scene, but Keyes is by far one of the shittiest MCs I've ever heard. Most of the gibberish he says up there doesn't make any fucking sense, and on top of that he'll MC right over vocals, and it's very cringeworthy.
But there are a few MCs that I really enjoy, Mayhem and Obie especially. They have great timing, and they hardly ever, or never, MC over lyrics.
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Posted - 2013/12/24 : 00:30:37
Is Keyes a Nottingham boy?
He's seemed sound enough whenever I've had a chat with him but I definitely understand all the previous posts in this thread.
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Posted - 2013/12/24 : 08:15:23
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by wong:
i was put off keyes after the whole dj sy affair tbh
What was Keyes' part in the whole debacle?
Mouthing off on Fb saying things like 'we can't eradicate paedos from the world but we can eradicate them from the scene' etc...
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Posted - 2013/12/24 : 08:17:00
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
What was Keyes' part in the whole debacle?
And what did HTID ITS post for their reason as to not booking Keyes? I can't imagine that it's as cut & dry as when they left out Scott Brown that one year.
And personally I am not a fan of MCs in general I think they're a fucking waste of time in the scene, but Keyes is by far one of the shittiest MCs I've ever heard. Most of the gibberish he says up there doesn't make any fucking sense, and on top of that he'll MC right over vocals, and it's very cringeworthy.
But there are a few MCs that I really enjoy, Mayhem and Obie especially. They have great timing, and they hardly ever, or never, MC over lyrics.
HTID said they havent booked Keyes because of disagreements over the past year as companies regarding date clashes, theme clashes, event ideas & venues etc.. They also said Keyes doesnt book some of their artists & has the right too as he didn't book Joey riot for years by choice because of a disagreement they had too. Basically no one said anything about that at the time.
I remember asking someone at the time about Joey never being on at Ravers & being told they had fell out.
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Posted - 2013/12/24 : 09:50:17
It's a funny one. You can't spend your life boycotting (Hardcore) events run by people you have moral or professional issues with - you'd end up with a small list of events to attend!
I very frequently think "What if I just sacked everything off and really gave it a go at making a big Hardcore brand and running it professionally?". I could definitely do it. The things I've achieved in my professional life would give me a good platform to run something properly. But the real life practical concerns and risks are just too much to think about starting it at the age of 27. And from the countless chats I've had with people involved in the scene - you're very much better off on the raver side of the fence, vs the involved, promoter side of the fence.
I'll definitely put on my own small event at some point (very hopefully in 2014) - but I think I'll just stick to raving and listening aside from that.
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Claxton
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Posted - 2013/12/24 : 11:10:06
It is all very pathetic.
It appears to me that HTID and SV have always worked together well and collab'd to help each other suceed within the scene. I'm sure that they will have had their own disagreements, but on the whole have co-existed for years and years.
That's what a small scene like hardcore needs; It can't have a promoter coming in like a bull in a china shop stepping on people's toes and upsetting 'important' organisations in the scene.
It just doesn't seem very tactful at all from 'RAVERS'. They will now seriously affect a long running and reputable event by announcing a similar one months later. Surely the sensible thing to do would have been to hold fire for a year and discuss it through with HTID? Perhaps they might have been able to do an event together. Either way, it wouldn't have put HTID in a potentially disasterous situation.
P.s. It must be said, Keyes has every right to do what he wants and put on the events he wants. Some people will say that it is great someone is shakng up the scene. But for me, It's not acceptable really.
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Posted - 2013/12/24 : 18:30:00
Shaking up, or further splitting an already fragmented scene?
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/12/24 : 20:00:44
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Shaking up, or further splitting an already fragmented scene?
The latter I believe. Let's face it regardless of how prickish Keyes has been, the top-tiered FW djs are not as in control as they thought, not as a whole group at least. The quality of their tracks and set have been diminishing, and more and more are being vocal about it. There were enough people upset at this past HTID ITS's event that those same people believe a change was needed as far as a week-long holiday is concerned, whether it's a change within the HTID ITS event or a brand new event altogether.
They lost the all-gabber room, they didn't even have a gabber set played in the main room besides the one-off track from what I heard, whereas last year's HTID ITS had Joey play half a set of gabber and it was phenomenal. People who have gone multiple times in a row already are getting tired of the location, or people who have never gone have heard enough stories about Lloret De Mar to not even bother going. If there was better unity, then yes HTID ITS could be salvageable, and together everyone could come together and bring us a brilliant 7-day event.
And I completely disagree with you Claxton, this scene needs shakeups. There is a lot of disappointment across the board on how some of these events have been handled, and how amazing talent gets pushed around outside of the large events. I mean if things in the hardcore scene didn't get "shaken up," there would probably be no Powerstomp, and there would be no Hardcore Underground, and there would be no dozens and dozens of labels out there other than FW if we let that side decide for us what's best for the ravers.
Perhaps there was a better way to go around Ravers Ibiza, like announcing it a month before HTID ITS started taking bookings. Some people have lost money already cancelling their hotels and flights and switching them to Ibiza. Really that I think was an extremely awful way to go about that. And I really hope that they got this event on 100% lockdown, because if for some reason it gets cancelled for low ticket sales and whatever else, then there will be people that will be completely screwed over and they honestly should never trust Ravers Reunited ever again if that happened.
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Posted - 2013/12/24 : 20:39:48
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Originally posted by Claxton:
It is all very pathetic.
It appears to me that HTID and SV have always worked together well and collab'd to help each other suceed within the scene. I'm sure that they will have had their own disagreements, but on the whole have co-existed for years and years.
That's what a small scene like hardcore needs; It can't have a promoter coming in like a bull in a china shop stepping on people's toes and upsetting 'important' organisations in the scene.
It just doesn't seem very tactful at all from 'RAVERS'. They will now seriously affect a long running and reputable event by announcing a similar one months later. Surely the sensible thing to do would have been to hold fire for a year and discuss it through with HTID? Perhaps they might have been able to do an event together. Either way, it wouldn't have put HTID in a potentially disasterous situation.
P.s. It must be said, Keyes has every right to do what he wants and put on the events he wants. Some people will say that it is great someone is shakng up the scene. But for me, It's not acceptable really.
I agree with this, add the fact that slammin (and occasionally HTID) are the only promoters I've ever seen make any kind of effort with production quality for hardcore events; some of the stages they have put together for the old NYE events at the NEC, Tranzmission, and Westfest are absolutely amazing.
The one and only Ravers event i went to thought that they could get away with minimal lighting and a next to shit rig, they have a good vibe but they need to make more effort as far as the production side of partying goes, something Slammin (and occassionally HTID) do extremely well.
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Claxton
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Posted - 2013/12/24 : 22:29:32
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Shaking up, or further splitting an already fragmented scene?
The latter I believe. Let's face it regardless of how prickish Keyes has been, the top-tiered FW djs are not as in control as they thought, not as a whole group at least. The quality of their tracks and set have been diminishing, and more and more are being vocal about it. There were enough people upset at this past HTID ITS's event that those same people believe a change was needed as far as a week-long holiday is concerned, whether it's a change within the HTID ITS event or a brand new event altogether.
They lost the all-gabber room, they didn't even have a gabber set played in the main room besides the one-off track from what I heard, whereas last year's HTID ITS had Joey play half a set of gabber and it was phenomenal. People who have gone multiple times in a row already are getting tired of the location, or people who have never gone have heard enough stories about Lloret De Mar to not even bother going. If there was better unity, then yes HTID ITS could be salvageable, and together everyone could come together and bring us a brilliant 7-day event.
And I completely disagree with you Claxton, this scene needs shakeups. There is a lot of disappointment across the board on how some of these events have been handled, and how amazing talent gets pushed around outside of the large events. I mean if things in the hardcore scene didn't get "shaken up," there would probably be no Powerstomp, and there would be no Hardcore Underground, and there would be no dozens and dozens of labels out there other than FW if we let that side decide for us what's best for the ravers.
Perhaps there was a better way to go around Ravers Ibiza, like announcing it a month before HTID ITS started taking bookings. Some people have lost money already cancelling their hotels and flights and switching them to Ibiza. Really that I think was an extremely awful way to go about that. And I really hope that they got this event on 100% lockdown, because if for some reason it gets cancelled for low ticket sales and whatever else, then there will be people that will be completely screwed over and they honestly should never trust Ravers Reunited ever again if that happened.
You misunderstood me. I didn't say the scene doesn't need shaking up; it most definitely does. I meant people will pass off what Keyes is doing as shaking up the scene and it's all fine. I'm saying that he is going about his business in completely the wrong way.
As Dean queried, rather than working together with others in the scene, he is fracturing the scene further.
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Posted - 2014/01/22 : 19:30:08
New info added and the website is up!
http://www.raversibiza.co.uk/
I must say it is rather enticing all of that for 249 quid! And I'm glad to see the HU label will be a part of this! I hope they're not making the same stupidass move that HTIDITS did and hope they book Al Storm!
would be sweet to attend this if I wasn't so damn far away!
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