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latininxtc
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 Posted - 2014/01/12 : 16:38:55
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It's entirely possible that sidewinder are just the event company that are licensed for some of those events. It doesn't mean they OWN those companies. It's actually pretty likely that you'd outsource events to an established events company if you were concentrating on other things (like club gigs and as a record label). I'm not saying that's how it is, i'm just saying it's a possibility.
Also LOL at <2000 people being 'large scale' events. These are on the low end of medium-sized at best. Quite a few clubs here hold more than that. Large scale is the 40,000+ you see at festivals. Semantics but meh.
Yes but in the UK Hardcore scene they're large events. The majority of raves attract no more than a couple of hundred people.
And that honestly is kind of pathetic for a scene that's been established for 20 years now. Hardstyle has only been around for about 10 years and look how massive it's gotten, Q-Dance!
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Posted - 2014/01/12 : 16:45:36
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Claxton:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
It's entirely possible that sidewinder are just the event company that are licensed for some of those events. It doesn't mean they OWN those companies. It's actually pretty likely that you'd outsource events to an established events company if you were concentrating on other things (like club gigs and as a record label). I'm not saying that's how it is, i'm just saying it's a possibility.
Also LOL at <2000 people being 'large scale' events. These are on the low end of medium-sized at best. Quite a few clubs here hold more than that. Large scale is the 40,000+ you see at festivals. Semantics but meh.
Yes but in the UK Hardcore scene they're large events. The majority of raves attract no more than a couple of hundred people.
And that honestly is kind of pathetic for a scene that's been established for 20 years now. Hardstyle has only been around for about 10 years and look how massive it's gotten, Q-Dance!
That's why I think something needs to change. I mean, it's been ticking over for more than a decade. Hardcore's not really changed nor done anything that revolutionary. Every progression in style is a slight one. It feels like the main people running Hardcore have settled for this. There's no indication otherwise.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2014/01/12 : 16:59:04
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Claxton:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
It's entirely possible that sidewinder are just the event company that are licensed for some of those events. It doesn't mean they OWN those companies. It's actually pretty likely that you'd outsource events to an established events company if you were concentrating on other things (like club gigs and as a record label). I'm not saying that's how it is, i'm just saying it's a possibility.
Also LOL at <2000 people being 'large scale' events. These are on the low end of medium-sized at best. Quite a few clubs here hold more than that. Large scale is the 40,000+ you see at festivals. Semantics but meh.
Yes but in the UK Hardcore scene they're large events. The majority of raves attract no more than a couple of hundred people.
And that honestly is kind of pathetic for a scene that's been established for 20 years now. Hardstyle has only been around for about 10 years and look how massive it's gotten, Q-Dance!
That's why I think something needs to change. I mean, it's been ticking over for more than a decade. Hardcore's not really changed nor done anything that revolutionary. Every progression in style is a slight one. It feels like the main people running Hardcore have settled for this. There's no indication otherwise.
To be fair, they did try a drastic stylistic change over the last few years (drastic, at least, compared to all the changes that have come before) and they ruined things.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/01/12 : 17:46:15
I don't believe it's the music change at all, I mean it's changing for the better to attract a much larger crowd, where the really cheesy parts that turned away so many people over 10 years ago are rarely ever used. Honestly I think MCs need to be done away with. From the outside looking in to a non-UK hardcore fan, one wonders why the fuck there's some asshole onstage yelling out useless shit. No other genre of electronic music utilizes the MCs so much as the ones in UK hardcore.
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Posted - 2014/01/12 : 17:48:53
or just stick to proper mc's like ribbz
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Posted - 2014/01/12 : 17:54:33
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or just stick to proper mc's like ribbz
god no he's just as ****ing awful
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Posted - 2014/01/12 : 17:55:19
ha, yeah right. awful
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Posted - 2014/01/12 : 19:03:01
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or just stick to proper mc's like ribbz
god no he's just as ****ing awful
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/01/12 : 19:43:02
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I don't believe it's the music change at all
I think the current Hardcore sound can still attract new fans. The way Hardcore operates just doesnt allow more people to get involved. It hasn't really changed much since it was properly underground and coming through. That's difficult to word, so I'll explain it. Apart from Radio 1's Kutski show, Hardcore doesnt really have much reach to people not involved. Events are normally promoted on Facebook, so only the people who are friends with promoters or like a page get invites. These events are normally promoted within Hardcore because it's normally exclusively Hardcore. As big as events might get, at 02 arena's or whatever, they're normally promoted and pushed within Hardcore, so no one on the outside will come and check it out.
It all seems very geared up to appeal to the people already involved. I'm liked and followed up to a good amount of pages and people, yet a lot of what's happening in the scene goes amiss. I don't know what Dubstep and Hardstyle do to network its music and events so well, but Hardcore needs some refreshing ideas to spread itself. Most labels have given up on Youtube promotion, when for labels like Monstercat and Liquicity, it's working a treat. Hardcore has radio shows and podcasts set up by people in Hardcore, but perhaps getting a single weekly show on a popular radio station might be more beneficial? It'd certainly be listened to more people not already in Hardcore, whilst Rough Tempo probably only appeals to people in Hardcore. When I say Hardcore is in many ways holding on to its underground traits, I mean it's very good at networking within itself and being very invisible to anyone on the outside. That's why I say it feels like people running the Hardcore bus have settled for that. Hardcore can make itself far more visible. People run their own things in Hardcore (radio shows, podcasts, labels), but perhaps they need to be a part of something bigger in order to get Hardcore noticed by a wider audience. Not sure if I've made my point well at all... I'm quite happy with Hardcore as it is - it makes it easier for me to do my thing, but if Hardcore is to have a bigger future, it needs to explore new roads.
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Posted - 2014/01/14 : 02:22:28
Im gonna say something stupid now... in order to go forward in hardcore (getting crowds) we need to go back I know the production was shitty compared to modern hardcore but how many people do you now what say: oh yeah I know hardcore then they always follow it up with back in the day with bonkers and that or breeze and styles, dubstep influence sounds aint are only putting the scene on its ass I would say it was about 2009-2010 it started to sound this way if you could get a graph of a average hardcore rave attendance year by year I bet it would take a massive dip after 2010. what the scenes needs is a unique sound hardstyle has the konk or example like happy hardcore sounded unique back in the 90s and even early 00s now its just speed up electro and dubstep we need to revent it like they did in 2002 I think the answer is powerstomp coz people dont wanna listen to pop at 170bpm
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Posted - 2014/01/14 : 17:06:46
But then you'll have people moaning that there's no variety if everything is just powerstomp. The scene didn't take a dip because of the dub sound, it took a dip because the music barely evolved since 2002.
The biggest problem, I feel, is venues. Long gone are the days where slammin vinyl would put on a huge event every three months. The venues just aren't there for it. West Fest is once a year, but that's it. Hardcore & DnB are having to survive without each other, which has never happened before. Those that liked both are having to choose which event to go to, rather than having it all under one roof.
Dreamscape have the right idea...
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Posted - 2014/01/14 : 17:28:27
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it took a dip because the music barely evolved since 2002.
LMAO no.
If you believe that, then you need your ears checked. Or maybe start investing some time listening to stuff that isn't directly FW related.
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Posted - 2014/01/14 : 18:06:46
I'm talking 2009/10....
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Posted - 2014/01/14 : 18:14:29
Its nothing to do with how the music sounded. You'll get people who'll get bored of Hardcore, but that's only natural. Hardcore needs to keep bringing new people in and stuff. As long as each song is different and sounds interesting, the style need not change much. There's 7 billion people on the planet, so a vast number of people will enjoy Hardcore, its just that Hardcore doesn't know how to reach them. You can't have a sustainable genre without expanding who can hear your music.
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