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Samination
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 Posted - 2016/03/16 : 11:50:31
fck me, i'm famous
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djDMS
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Posted - 2016/03/16 : 12:49:33
Didn't say I agree with him, just that he has a point.
It's not pessimistic to say not all new music is fantastic, but obviously an explanation would have cleared up any confusion. I don't pay any attention to what he does anymore so can't put it into context.
It's a point worth debating, just don't want to hijack Ben's topic with it!
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Bring Me Round To Love
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Posted - 2016/03/16 : 14:13:06
Gammer keeps using the name Happy Hardcore to describe that sped up edm rubbish he makes
The music in this Maoam Advert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I59XOttwZLg Sums up what all gammer tracks sound like
Some of these artist such has gammer and maybe even styles would love to jump ship into that edm big room boring fart fest that has invaded our shores, yet they are too scared to let go of the wheel, trying to change the ship from within, too scared to jump because they won't be captains of the bigger ships.
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lurker
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Posted - 2016/03/17 : 03:35:39
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Originally posted by wong:
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Originally posted by lurker:
Don't mind me, I'm just waiting for Thumpa to jump in and call you full of shit.
guessing you didnt read it ..?
Got me there. I actually read it now, it's pretty good. Think I'll stick to Arena 5 if I ever "make it" though. :P
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Originally posted by djDMS:
It's a point worth debating, just don't want to hijack Ben's topic with it!
Unfortunately the poster right above me doesn't agree with you!
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ViolonC
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Germany
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Posted - 2016/03/17 : 04:16:33
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Originally posted by Bring Me Round To Love:
Some of these artist such has gammer and maybe even styles would love to jump ship into that edm big room boring fart fest that has invaded our shores, yet they are too scared to let go of the wheel, trying to change the ship from within, too scared to jump because they won't be captains of the bigger ships.
I don't think they want to jump ship. If so they would have a few years ago. And then they would just be another mid tier fish in the EDM sea.
They want to be the tip of progress, evolve UK Hardcore further. They have proven themselves in the scene but i can understand that just pumping out track after track by a proven scheme may pay the bills but is pretty boring for an artist. Doing something new and crossing borders will get you flak from people that like the old style.
Hardcore would actually have died if it hadn't evolved so much over time. I'm always amazed how different tracks from different years sound, yet they are all under the same umbrella and the main rules for the genre never really changed. Some will like it, some will not. A lot will like mainly what the got introduced with. And in 3 years the next thing will influence UK Hardcore and those who liked the trap elements will hate "that new bollocks".
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2016/03/17 : 09:38:58
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Originally posted by Vladel:
Of course thumpa is going to like something that gives him credit.
I'm not that shallow. I'm a spokesperson for this music and I'm usually bang on with my opinions as I know my stuff and I know how music works and I know how a business model works, even if I didn't DJ and was just a fan of the music I would agree with Ben's blog too. I come from a time where everyone played each other's music and most big tunes became anthems, plus I know my history.
I don't need anyone to feed my ego in a blog post, I know what I do and I know more importantly what I stand for, good varied music.
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Samination
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Sweden
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Posted - 2016/03/17 : 12:05:18
Well, 10 years from now no one will be able to play classics anyways, because *cough* said business model only allows for 300 releases *cough*
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ViolonC
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Posted - 2016/03/17 : 17:32:04
There have been studies that the music that is played "on the radio" (a.k.a. pop music) today is less diverse than it was 20, 40 and 60 years ago. Ergo the same tunes are played more often.
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lurker
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Posted - 2016/03/17 : 18:32:46
What? I have a feeling you're referring to these two studies (probably indirectly through a news article about one of them). The first one says nothing about the number of tracks on rotation. The second one does correlate a genre's complexity with both the number of artists and the popularity of that genre (which still doesn't distinguish individual tracks but it gets closer), but it can't really apply to hardcore since the data set seems to be artist albums only.
Either way, studies on this scale always focus on elements that separate different genres of acoustic music from each other way more than different genres of EDM. The first one uses dynamics as a major focus, while the second one revolves around which instruments are listed on an album's Discogs listing. For the first one, who's going to master EDM at -20 dB? For the second, most EDM doesn't use any physical instruments, so a grand majority of their entries are just going to say "synthesizer" and nothing else. Using these to say anything in-depth about hardcore is ********.
The number of different songs playing on the radio has a lot more to do with how the music industry works than the music itself, anyway.
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ViolonC
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Posted - 2016/03/18 : 03:16:21
Please cite me where i said anything about hardcore.
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The number of different songs playing on the radio has a lot more to do with how the music industry works than the music itself, anyway.
This on the other hand is true for Hardcore as well.
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lurker
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Posted - 2016/03/18 : 17:24:28
Maybe I went off-topic with that second paragraph, but I think I made it pretty clear in the first one that neither study has anything to do with the number of songs being played.
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