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Samination
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 Posted - 2016/11/03 : 09:35:12
to further explain my question. So they did not play full sets with old stuff then? I'm just trying to see your point or find flaws in them.
And that gif is incorrect. I don't speak Egghandball English
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Claxton
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Posted - 2016/11/03 : 09:41:03
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At the moment there is no point at all in having Sy on a major rave line-up. He plays classic sets only. He's not relevant in the current scene and won't be until he either starts producing again or plays upfront music.
So what you're saying is if you made shit music yesterday you deserve a spot on the line-up but if you made good music a few years ago you're out.
Couldn't disagree more. Slipmatt wasn't current for years but it was always good fun dancing to his sets whilst he was still getting booked.
No. That's not what I'm saying at all. Neither should be on a major rave main room line up.
Classic rooms or classic raves by all means, but what's the point in booking someone to play old music for the main stages at bigger events? They should be forward thinking and introducing new music.
I'm not sure how you have deducted what you have from my original post.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/11/03 : 10:00:44
I think he's making a comparison. You say that Sy isn't relevant, which I kinda agree about Slipmatt aswell. None of them are relevant in the Current scene, but that doesn't say that they can't get any Big bookings at all.
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Mickey Init
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Posted - 2016/11/03 : 10:40:55
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Originally posted by Claxton:
No. That's not what I'm saying at all. Neither should be on a major rave main room line up.
Classic rooms or classic raves by all means, but what's the point in booking someone to play old music for the main stages at bigger events? They should be forward thinking and introducing new music.
I'm not sure how you have deducted what you have from my original post.
I only put a slight twist on what you said. You suggest that you should be churning out tunes in order to feature on the line-ups these days. As has been said on here before, 'new' doesn't necessarily mean 'good'. There's a lot of garbage being produced these days.
It's about variety. Putting Sy, Brisk or Slipmatt on after an hour of current GTYM, for example, would surely stop people falling asleep.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/11/03 : 11:20:40
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Originally posted by Mickey Init:
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Originally posted by Claxton:
No. That's not what I'm saying at all. Neither should be on a major rave main room line up.
Classic rooms or classic raves by all means, but what's the point in booking someone to play old music for the main stages at bigger events? They should be forward thinking and introducing new music.
I'm not sure how you have deducted what you have from my original post.
I only put a slight twist on what you said. You suggest that you should be churning out tunes in order to feature on the line-ups these days. As has been said on here before, 'new' doesn't necessarily mean 'good'. There's a lot of garbage being produced these days.
It's about variety. Putting Sy, Brisk or Slipmatt on after an hour of current GTYM, for example, would surely stop people falling asleep.
or leave, because they where only there to listen to Gammer's ( or MC Storm's) banter
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Claxton
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Posted - 2016/11/03 : 12:45:48
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Originally posted by Mickey Init:
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Originally posted by Claxton:
No. That's not what I'm saying at all. Neither should be on a major rave main room line up.
Classic rooms or classic raves by all means, but what's the point in booking someone to play old music for the main stages at bigger events? They should be forward thinking and introducing new music.
I'm not sure how you have deducted what you have from my original post.
I only put a slight twist on what you said. You suggest that you should be churning out tunes in order to feature on the line-ups these days. As has been said on here before, 'new' doesn't necessarily mean 'good'. There's a lot of garbage being produced these days.
It's about variety. Putting Sy, Brisk or Slipmatt on after an hour of current GTYM, for example, would surely stop people falling asleep.
I think it goes without saying that the quality of music must be high. Just because someone is making new music it doesn't automatically mean they should be booked. My point was: if Sy is to become relevant again, he must either a) Get in the studio again. b) play upfront Hardcore from other artists.
There isn't a place for someone to be consistently booked if they aren't playing new music.
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Posted - 2016/11/04 : 01:09:14
No they do not speak anymore, basically sy put his house up for sale in 2012 when they were still working together and he didn't even tell Chris, sy has moved away from the area, so not sure how it would have panned out anyway between the two if the fallout didn't happen, also Chris lost both his parents in the space of a year and one of them passed away around the time it all blew up with sy and storm and sy didn't bother to send Chris one message asking how he was, but the friendship had broken down between them anyway earlier in the summer of 2012 as they were both playing the same event back 2 back and had a long drive think it was Sheffield and something was said by Chris in the car on the way home who was having a joke and sy lost it with him apparently and that was that, there is a lot of things that happened before the whole thing later in the year between sy and storm blew up, also sy cannot make music by himself that's why he hasn't and won't, plus Chris done 90 per cent of the work on all sy and unknown tracks,
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/11/04 : 05:21:06
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No they do not speak anymore, basically sy put his house up for sale in 2012 when they were still working together and he didn't even tell Chris, sy has moved away from the area, so not sure how it would have panned out anyway between the two if the fallout didn't happen, also Chris lost both his parents in the space of a year and one of them passed away around the time it all blew up with sy and storm and sy didn't bother to send Chris one message asking how he was, but the friendship had broken down between them anyway earlier in the summer of 2012 as they were both playing the same event back 2 back and had a long drive think it was Sheffield and something was said by Chris in the car on the way home who was having a joke and sy lost it with him apparently and that was that, there is a lot of things that happened before the whole thing later in the year between sy and storm blew up, also sy cannot make music by himself that's why he hasn't and won't, plus Chris done 90 per cent of the work on all sy and unknown tracks,
so, Sy can make music, but can't produce
Chris can produce, but can't make music?
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2016/11/04 : 07:07:14
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No they do not speak anymore, basically sy put his house up for sale in 2012 when they were still working together and he didn't even tell Chris, sy has moved away from the area, so not sure how it would have panned out anyway between the two if the fallout didn't happen, also Chris lost both his parents in the space of a year and one of them passed away around the time it all blew up with sy and storm and sy didn't bother to send Chris one message asking how he was, but the friendship had broken down between them anyway earlier in the summer of 2012 as they were both playing the same event back 2 back and had a long drive think it was Sheffield and something was said by Chris in the car on the way home who was having a joke and sy lost it with him apparently and that was that, there is a lot of things that happened before the whole thing later in the year between sy and storm blew up, also sy cannot make music by himself that's why he hasn't and won't, plus Chris done 90 per cent of the work on all sy and unknown tracks,
Sounds like Sy knew there was trouble brewing before it all became public and he was starting to lose his cool. Chris Unknowns Facebook post a couple of years back alluded to that as well. It's funny looking back, I spoke to Chris at HTID in the sun 2012, I remember thinking to myself that he went a bit strange when I mentioned Sy.
I don't know about your comment that Chris done 90% of the work. I can only go on how good their collaborations sounded compared with how average Chris' solo tracks were. That 10% from Sy made a hell of a difference...
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Mickey Init
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Posted - 2016/11/04 : 08:50:14
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Originally posted by Claxton:
I think it goes without saying that the quality of music must be high. Just because someone is making new music it doesn't automatically mean they should be booked. My point was: if Sy is to become relevant again, he must either a) Get in the studio again. b) play upfront Hardcore from other artists.
There isn't a place for someone to be consistently booked if they aren't playing new music.
I don't know, maybe we appreciate different things when we go to these things, which is allowed. I just don't know where this thing comes from about hardcore tunes needing to have a finite shelf-life.
I agree with you when it comes to albums (e.g. that Vinylgroover mix on the Technikore album) but not when it comes to sets; Sy on the decks (playing the Quosh back cat) is a lot more entertaining than watching someone from the nu skool hit 'auto-sync' on a laptop.
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DJ Sketchy
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Posted - 2016/11/04 : 16:54:19
'Down Like That' with Darren Styles & Chris Unknown is a MAJOR hit though! One of my favourite tracks Chris has ever produced, and it's very recent!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwZRgF9Q_os
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2016/11/04 : 17:16:00
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'Down Like That' with Darren Styles & Chris Unknown is a MAJOR hit though! One of my favourite tracks Chris has ever produced, and it's very recent!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwZRgF9Q_os
It's a funny one, ya know. I was thinking about this style of track very recently. They've always existed - probably in equal measure to uplifting/vocal/cheesy stuff. But it always struck me as weird that people who like uplifting stuff also like this kind of stuff. Twisty, filthy, moody. I personally don't. I mean, they're alright on the dancefloor if you're off ya box on squeelers (tequila) and just want to pound around the floor. But musically I've never taken to them.
Nothing against them or people that do like them. Just occurred to me how fundementally different those two sets of elements that make up the two styles of music are liked, generally, by people equally.
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Posted - 2016/11/04 : 17:21:35
I think, as well, his collabs are generally alright. It's just his solo stuff can be a bit weak in comparison.
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DJ Sketchy
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Posted - 2016/11/04 : 17:28:05
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I think, as well, his collabs are generally alright. It's just his solo stuff can be a bit weak in comparison.
Just a personal view... I feel DJ Chris Unknown maybe aims his stronger tracks towards collaborations!
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Posted - 2016/11/04 : 17:33:44
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by DJ Sketchy:
'Down Like That' with Darren Styles & Chris Unknown is a MAJOR hit though! One of my favourite tracks Chris has ever produced, and it's very recent!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwZRgF9Q_os
It's a funny one, ya know. I was thinking about this style of track very recently. They've always existed - probably in equal measure to uplifting/vocal/cheesy stuff. But it always struck me as weird that people who like uplifting stuff also like this kind of stuff. Twisty, filthy, moody. I personally don't. I mean, they're alright on the dancefloor if you're off ya box on squeelers (tequila) and just want to pound around the floor. But musically I've never taken to them.
Nothing against them or people that do like them. Just occurred to me how fundementally different those two sets of elements that make up the two styles of music are liked, generally, by people equally.
Yeah I never really thought of it like that. Hardcore wouldn't be Hardcore without these type of flat out stomping tunes though! What's Gammer's new track? "I'm gonna wake this mother****er up!" BOOM BOOM BOOM
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