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Project-Industrial
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 Posted - 2008/09/30 : 17:29:38
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
i always use the channel faders & volume control, tbh i never touch the master channel.
only reason for this is i've read to leave the master channel for mastering (for the audio engineer).
you got 2 other ways to set the volume, one on the synth & one on the channel so you shouldn't need to touch the master.
This is all true but.. It would be interesting to know as it is 100% easier to just turn down the master fader if your track is clipping than it is to adjust every other channel or sound...
agree.. turning master down is easier .. saves ****** around getting the right settings on ya channel faders.. i do a bit of both tho =]
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ericmdaily
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Posted - 2008/10/02 : 23:49:36
TECHNICALLY every fader on a soundboard is a amplifier(going above 0db)/resistor(going below 0db)
everytime you send your signal through a fader that is higher or lower then 0db, your losing some of that signal due to the distortion effects of that indvidual amp
given its not a HUGE amount of distortion, but if you think about how many amps you send your signal through, and how many faders you use while directing your signal... it can get nasty :P
idk if its the same for doing all digital recording, and its not entirely noticeable at lower levels on the fader. but try to set your channel gain at the right level and only use the faders for fine adjustments
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bLOODY_dAN
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Posted - 2008/10/03 : 07:37:14
ahh thats it. Good point. the higher you crank your gain without it clipping the better. The fader is there when you bring it back to master it. WORD.
And yeah i do know what im talking about mr. orbit.
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Orbit1
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Posted - 2008/10/03 : 13:54:16
ericmdaily - I can guarrantee that he's not going on about an amp and that its all mixing-in-the-box, ie - the mixer faders within cubase.
bLOODY_dAN, you don't know what you're on about because you haven't read his question. He's not on about analogue faders. Your theories are spot on for analogue mixes are spot on, but this is the digital age where mixing is almost always done in the box.
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 03:08:42
andrew, couldnt of said it better myself, spot on!
i never touch the master fader anyway, i rekon it makes the mixer look cleaner and clearer anyway, it's easier to manage volume control. i dont know the technicalities behind it, but i find it easier anyway!
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bLOODY_dAN
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Posted - 2008/10/06 : 21:32:31
the purpose of digital is to emulate analog...
the same rules apply. The master fader normally gets set at UNITY/NULL/ZERO. Then you adjust your track faders to keep everything crispy.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/10/07 : 11:33:49
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Originally posted by bLOODY_dAN:
the purpose of digital is to emulate analog...
the same rules apply. The master fader normally gets set at UNITY/NULL/ZERO. Then you adjust your track faders to keep everything crispy.
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er not even going to bother. You don't know what you're talking about - nothing in here has anything to do with analogue, and digital is an IMPROVEMENT on analogue, not an emulation.
Digital is broken into binary code whenever its transferred - meaning its EXACTLY the same when it reaches its destination - in one word this means more CLARITY.
They're not the same.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/10/07 : 11:43:12
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
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Originally posted by bLOODY_dAN:
^^^Absolutely False.^^^
Faders are your best friend. Push and Pull those babies till the sound is the way you want it. End of story.
Its humorous to me that people are giving you advice when they have no idea. Thats COUNTERPRODUCTIVE PEOPLE!!! If you don't know, DON'T SAY ANYTHING! LMFAO.
Dude what are you on about? Andy's spot on the money. I think you're the one that has no idea.
Except that there's typically need to worry about the SNR within a DAW, but hey... ;)
Thanks mate :)
I didnt mean within the daw itself, i meant if you turn down the master volume and it gets sent to mastering, i thought that just lowering the master volume and then having a large boost in volume and compression would arouse some audible noise. Didn't really make that clear.
Although theres every chance i'm wrong and it wouldn't add any noise at all - so correct me if i'm wrong.
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Shades
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Posted - 2008/10/07 : 17:29:13
easy way to find out, turn the master channel down, upload it or send it yourself via email, then download/open it in an audio editor & turn it back up & see if it's lost any clarity.....
or is that too easy  lol
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Posted - 2008/10/08 : 05:51:15
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
easy way to find out, turn the master channel down, upload it or send it yourself via email, then download/open it in an audio editor & turn it back up & see if it's lost any clarity.....
or is that too easy lol
ergo why i dont alter the master fader.
although my tracks were pretty bad back then so im not sure if its because my tracks were worse or it adds noise - not really willing to find out as im fine with how i work now.
also i wouldnt have to upload it then download it - as i said before digital data is broken down into binary code for a transfer - it will be exactly the same after i upload it then download it again, as it would be straight out of the DAW
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Posted - 2008/10/08 : 23:42:38
just added the download bit for fun lol
turning it down exporting & then opening it seemed wayyyyyyyyy to easy pmsl
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bLOODY_dAN
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Posted - 2008/10/10 : 06:30:17
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Posted - 2008/10/11 : 21:32:00
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I myself have wondered about this specific topic so to me it is important those who are interested get it clear, including myself.
personally I find myself reaching for compression/limiting as much as I can before I touch the master fader (remember, a ratio of 10:1 or more is considered limiting so... ).If it keeps peaking over 0db THEN I turn it down.
I dont ever put a limiter on the master track cuz I beleive that WOULD make me lose some resolution in the audio.leave that for mastering.
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