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Mortis
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 Posted - 2009/06/02 : 02:38:30
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
its frustrating when I work for hours on one track making sure everything is how I want it and almost completely original, when people can do it the easy way and get even further by using samples.. with the samples tweakn supplied, you'll have a track in like an hour, and thats annoying.. :/
I feel ya pain. I spent atleast half an hour today making my own kick drum. I havent got time and have too much on my mind at the mo to make a track so i concentrate on making stuff like drums, drum loops, practicing synthesis and basic music production ie filtering, EQ, compression etc. So yeah when ive spent that long working on something to make it truly my own someone comes along and throws a few samples from the latest version of Nexus or VEC's newest cd its a bit disheartening to say the least. But **** it thats what others are content with doing thay can go right ahead. Im happy to put in the work if it means im nothing like those people 
Their is nothing wrong with using samples at times. Does it make your track any less of an achievement of you use samples in places?
Although I think using melody & bassline loops a fake, I fail to see how using a sampled sound can be considered "cheating".
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/06/02 : 03:46:41
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
its frustrating when I work for hours on one track making sure everything is how I want it and almost completely original, when people can do it the easy way and get even further by using samples.. with the samples tweakn supplied, you'll have a track in like an hour, and thats annoying.. :/
I feel ya pain. I spent atleast half an hour today making my own kick drum. I havent got time and have too much on my mind at the mo to make a track so i concentrate on making stuff like drums, drum loops, practicing synthesis and basic music production ie filtering, EQ, compression etc. So yeah when ive spent that long working on something to make it truly my own someone comes along and throws a few samples from the latest version of Nexus or VEC's newest cd its a bit disheartening to say the least. But **** it thats what others are content with doing thay can go right ahead. Im happy to put in the work if it means im nothing like those people
Their is nothing wrong with using samples at times. Does it make your track any less of an achievement of you use samples in places?
Although I think using melody & bassline loops a fake, I fail to see how using a sampled sound can be considered "cheating".
using an entire break sample is a pretty crooked move to me... you should use individual samples and make your own break rather than use someone elses...
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/06/02 : 06:48:32
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
The thing is, this is a bit different than 4-Beat Hardcore. This is Breakbeat Hardcore, and Breakbeats aren't that easy to make ! Yeah I was trying to do an Amen Break. Was pretty simple, I learn fast.
So you recreated the Amen no sweat whatsoever having produced for not very long? Clip please.
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
its frustrating when I work for hours on one track making sure everything is how I want it and almost completely original, when people can do it the easy way and get even further by using samples.. with the samples tweakn supplied, you'll have a track in like an hour, and thats annoying.. :/
I feel ya pain. I spent atleast half an hour today making my own kick drum. I havent got time and have too much on my mind at the mo to make a track so i concentrate on making stuff like drums, drum loops, practicing synthesis and basic music production ie filtering, EQ, compression etc. So yeah when ive spent that long working on something to make it truly my own someone comes along and throws a few samples from the latest version of Nexus or VEC's newest cd its a bit disheartening to say the least. But **** it thats what others are content with doing thay can go right ahead. Im happy to put in the work if it means im nothing like those people
Their is nothing wrong with using samples at times. Does it make your track any less of an achievement of you use samples in places?
Although I think using melody & bassline loops a fake, I fail to see how using a sampled sound can be considered "cheating".
Not atal, in small doses IE an amen underneath your own beats, an Old Skool stab or piano samples etc stuff thats damn near impossible to recreate without having degrees in synthesis. But people who use samples for basses and leads, and to an extent, kicks are just lazy imo. Theyre not hard to create but people would rather load up nexus or Vengeance and get on with it. Fair enough not everyone's like that or like me, and not everyone works the same or wants to spend an hour or so learning to synthesise a kick drum, then ages perfecting it but thats how i want to do it. I dont consider it cheating if other people use different methods, i consider it lazy. But thats other peoples methods, im happy for others to do whatever the hell they wanna do, i guess it would be wrong for me to try and push my methods onto others. Ill just have to live with it and bite my tongue whenever Nexus/Vengeance is mentioned, if i read many more posts on here or HP or watch any more Styles & Breeze vids i doubt ill have a tongue left.
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Edited by - Meathead on 2009/06/02 06:53:00 |
Meathead
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Posted - 2009/06/02 : 06:56:37
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
its frustrating when I work for hours on one track making sure everything is how I want it and almost completely original, when people can do it the easy way and get even further by using samples.. with the samples tweakn supplied, you'll have a track in like an hour, and thats annoying.. :/
I feel ya pain. I spent atleast half an hour today making my own kick drum. I havent got time and have too much on my mind at the mo to make a track so i concentrate on making stuff like drums, drum loops, practicing synthesis and basic music production ie filtering, EQ, compression etc. So yeah when ive spent that long working on something to make it truly my own someone comes along and throws a few samples from the latest version of Nexus or VEC's newest cd its a bit disheartening to say the least. But **** it thats what others are content with doing thay can go right ahead. Im happy to put in the work if it means im nothing like those people
Their is nothing wrong with using samples at times. Does it make your track any less of an achievement of you use samples in places?
Although I think using melody & bassline loops a fake, I fail to see how using a sampled sound can be considered "cheating".
using an entire break sample is a pretty crooked move to me... you should use individual samples and make your own break rather than use someone elses...
As i said before. Unless you have the luxury of knowing a real drummer or are one yourself youll struggle to get a "human" groove going. Breaks are difficult to create and make sound genuine (REAL breaks im talking about) so i say go for it. Obviously chop it up and make it your own but i dont expect anyone to recreate a break like the amen and make it sound convincing.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2009/06/02 : 11:23:23
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Not atal, in small doses IE an amen underneath your own beats, an Old Skool stab or piano samples etc stuff thats damn near impossible to recreate without having degrees in synthesis. But people who use samples for basses and leads, and to an extent, kicks are just lazy imo. Theyre not hard to create but people would rather load up nexus or Vengeance and get on with it. Fair enough not everyone's like that or like me, and not everyone works the same or wants to spend an hour or so learning to synthesise a kick drum, then ages perfecting it but thats how i want to do it. I dont consider it cheating if other people use different methods, i consider it lazy. But thats other peoples methods, im happy for others to do whatever the hell they wanna do, i guess it would be wrong for me to try and push my methods onto others. Ill just have to live with it and bite my tongue whenever Nexus/Vengeance is mentioned, if i read many more posts on here or HP or watch any more Styles & Breeze vids i doubt ill have a tongue left.
I agree with everything you say. Although I do use samples for kicks but don't for leads or bass unless it's an old skool sound I'm looking for.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/06/02 : 11:39:18
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Not atal, in small doses IE an amen underneath your own beats, an Old Skool stab or piano samples etc stuff thats damn near impossible to recreate without having degrees in synthesis. But people who use samples for basses and leads, and to an extent, kicks are just lazy imo. Theyre not hard to create but people would rather load up nexus or Vengeance and get on with it. Fair enough not everyone's like that or like me, and not everyone works the same or wants to spend an hour or so learning to synthesise a kick drum, then ages perfecting it but thats how i want to do it. I dont consider it cheating if other people use different methods, i consider it lazy. But thats other peoples methods, im happy for others to do whatever the hell they wanna do, i guess it would be wrong for me to try and push my methods onto others. Ill just have to live with it and bite my tongue whenever Nexus/Vengeance is mentioned, if i read many more posts on here or HP or watch any more Styles & Breeze vids i doubt ill have a tongue left.
I agree with everything you say. Although I do use samples for kicks but don't for leads or bass unless it's an old skool sound I'm looking for.
Same. Im learning to make kicks, got some good uns down now  but in my older projects ive used samples, and a nice live kick drum does sound lovely over all this artificial nonesense so use them ocassionally. But im lost when it comes to say Old Skool stab sounds, seriously how the **** did they make those things? 
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Revs
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Posted - 2009/06/02 : 12:33:24
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
its frustrating when I work for hours on one track making sure everything is how I want it and almost completely original, when people can do it the easy way and get even further by using samples.. with the samples tweakn supplied, you'll have a track in like an hour, and thats annoying.. :/
I feel ya pain. I spent atleast half an hour today making my own kick drum. I havent got time and have too much on my mind at the mo to make a track so i concentrate on making stuff like drums, drum loops, practicing synthesis and basic music production ie filtering, EQ, compression etc. So yeah when ive spent that long working on something to make it truly my own someone comes along and throws a few samples from the latest version of Nexus or VEC's newest cd its a bit disheartening to say the least. But **** it thats what others are content with doing thay can go right ahead. Im happy to put in the work if it means im nothing like those people
Their is nothing wrong with using samples at times. Does it make your track any less of an achievement of you use samples in places?
Although I think using melody & bassline loops a fake, I fail to see how using a sampled sound can be considered "cheating".
Yeah that's what I mean. I don't use melody loops and stuff, I wanna make my own melodies, that's like the highlight of the track for me!
I use samples for kicks, hi-hats, etc etc 
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Jackol
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Posted - 2009/06/10 : 05:55:36
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Not atal, in small doses IE an amen underneath your own beats, an Old Skool stab or piano samples etc stuff thats damn near impossible to recreate without having degrees in synthesis. But people who use samples for basses and leads, and to an extent, kicks are just lazy imo. Theyre not hard to create but people would rather load up nexus or Vengeance and get on with it. Fair enough not everyone's like that or like me, and not everyone works the same or wants to spend an hour or so learning to synthesise a kick drum, then ages perfecting it but thats how i want to do it. I dont consider it cheating if other people use different methods, i consider it lazy. But thats other peoples methods, im happy for others to do whatever the hell they wanna do, i guess it would be wrong for me to try and push my methods onto others. Ill just have to live with it and bite my tongue whenever Nexus/Vengeance is mentioned, if i read many more posts on here or HP or watch any more Styles & Breeze vids i doubt ill have a tongue left.
I agree with everything you say. Although I do use samples for kicks but don't for leads or bass unless it's an old skool sound I'm looking for.
Same. Im learning to make kicks, got some good uns down now but in my older projects ive used samples, and a nice live kick drum does sound lovely over all this artificial nonesense so use them ocassionally. But im lost when it comes to say Old Skool stab sounds, seriously how the **** did they make those things?
I KNOW, RIGHT? They're so amazing too...
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2009/06/10 : 19:36:05
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Originally posted by Fishy:
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
So does anyone know where to get Breakbeat Hardcore samples ? Everything I find is either at less than 160 BPM or too Drum & Bass stylish !
And I'm too lazy to make my own breaks..
ur too lazy to make ur own?  maybe u should get ejay or something:P
hehe was gnna say that :P
anyway .. revs.. might give us some info wot u producing wif? if u using FL go here:
http://www.freesound.org/index.php
get some loops and use fruity slicer.. thats .. IF you using that =p but a well fak around plenty shit there =D dont copy paste samples.. thats lame =p
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