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Elliott
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 Posted - 2014/02/09 : 18:24:59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnXae-O7nbE
Yeah, it's very real!
And x-treme as fuck! Just listen to those chart hits! None of that neurofunk or darkstep nonsense, just the most x-treme D&B around right now.
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Edited by - Elliott on 2014/02/09 18:27:45 |
versia
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 18:47:08
dizzie rascal is x-treme as ****.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 18:50:48
If anyone considers buying this, I implore them to look at Hospital We Are 18
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 19:41:46
is it me or is d'n'b just as repetative as hardcore... why do people leave hardcore for d'n'b :(
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 21:21:30
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Originally posted by Samination:
is it me or is d'n'b just as repetative as hardcore... why do people leave hardcore for d'n'b :(
..Because its' stylistic boundaries are far wider than hardcore's. There's more styles, wider tempo range, and a genuine freeform attitude to structure. Drum and Bass beyond the commericial scope has far more potential for creativity than what is approved as Hardcore.
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 21:40:12
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Originally posted by Elipton:
If anyone considers buying this, I implore them to look at Hospital We Are 18
I picked this up the other day because I had a ?10.00 itunes voucher given to me and the album is awesome , cant stop listening to it , loads of variety lovely uplifting bizness !
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djchexmixer
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 16:29:53
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Originally posted by Elipton:
If anyone considers buying this, I implore them to look at Hospital We Are 18
Brilliant recommendation, thank you!
One look at the artists and I knew I wouldn't be disappointed... and I was not.
Loving this album. 
Freaking Hospital Records.... beautiful and quality drum n bass...
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 16:54:28
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Originally posted by Samination:
....why do people leave hardcore for d'n'b :(
what Olly said and, because of the 'space' that D&B provides, the production quality is unbelievably excellent.
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 18:27:32
why do i call ******** on that? obviously there's so many hardcore styles that there's enough for people to try at, but is it worth it if you wish to get known? maybe not
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 18:55:09
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Originally posted by Samination:
why do i call ******** on that? obviously there's so many hardcore styles that there's enough for people to try at, but is it worth it if you wish to get known? maybe not
Well how vast do you see Hardcore? It can come down to definition. Hardcore is generally 165-180 bpm, and it's strongly influenced by trends. UK Hardcore all stems from very consistent trends and elements. Drum & Bass has far more room to breathe. There's less trending involved because you can fit so many sub-genres within the same tempo bracket.
What Hardcore genres can we put within a 165-180 tempo? UK Hardcore, Freeform, Makina, Gabber (if we class that as the same genre). All of those are still very similar in structure, sounds and governed by the same Hardcore fundamentals (4x4, stab bassline, percussion patterns etc etc).
Drum and Bass has a lot more that fits in that 165-180 bracket. The standardized commercial D&B, Liquid (r: Hospital), Jungle, BBHC (the general production principles puts this under the D&B title imo), Trance & Bass (r: John B), Hardcore Breaks (early 90's stuff was 160-165), Techstep (r: Bop, Sizef), and various other styles. Lets not forget that Drum & Bass envelopes a far wider tempo range, however. It is, without a doubt, far more open to creative styles than Hardcore.
Even down to the most obvious point, D&B dupes Hardcore on the creative front. D&B can work with a whole plethora of various drum patterns and sounds, Hardcore is strictly required to have a 4x4 kick. If Hardcore had anything else, the vast majority of people would dismiss it as the same genre. I think Hardcore can expand and I've been pushing my own boundaries for a while, but the short story is that D&B is a haven for creativity. It's why so many former Dubstep producers have also sought shelter under D&B's vast roof.
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 19:29:32
you basicly left out anything above 185+
true Gabber, Speedcore, Frenchcore, and even tho I dont like them, Industrial Hardcore, Terrorcore, Hard tek (?)
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 19:45:13
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Originally posted by Samination:
you basicly left out anything above 185+
true Gabber, Speedcore, Frenchcore, and even tho I dont like them, Industrial Hardcore, Terrorcore, Hard tek (?)
Do we consider them Hardcore? I think that's down to an individual to perceive.
Hardcore genres are very particular. Its widely understood that a rolling bassline complex riff and 303 acid is required for a Freeform track. There's more to it than that, but the community habitually specifies genres and tries to define them. Many producers therefore produce to those guidelines almost sub-consciously. What's more is that Hardcore is so influenced by trends, producers will produce the popular style just to get bookings. I don't think Drum & Bass is the same. You can produce tracks and what style they are is subjective. If the music is good, you'll get signed and you'll get booked regardless. High Contrast is arguably the most successful D&B producer ever, but other producers also on Hospital don't follow his style for the same kind of success. They do their own thing and get the bookings and signings all the same.
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 21:03:15
2 DnB tracks at the opposite ends of the spectrum , both tremendous IMO
Kyshido - I Believed In You
Rockwell - Childhood Memories ft Kito & Sam Frank (Metrik Remix)
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 21:15:17
I can't comment on d'n'b since I never listen to stuff. My original comment was just about people complaining about Hardcore sounding the same most of the time (with a constant bpm), when d'n'b isn't much different. also, there's more to Hardcore than UK Hardcore, and if you think it's constrained/limited, you can't blame the scene for limiting you as a producer.
I'm probably contradicting myself, but f* that, I'm tired and I got a nightshift to go to. Toodles
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 21:41:18
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Originally posted by Samination:
you can't blame the scene for limiting you as a producer.
Are you speaking formally or informally?
I've never let style constraints limit my music. I'm finding new ways of producing and presenting my hardcore, and I think the At Peace project was good evidence of that. I'd go as far as saying I'm real Freeform (as supposed to this chauvinistic hypocritical Freeform that has emerged over the years). I'm trying (even if I'm failing) to be different and I'm trying to be creative about being different. Even so, I think Hardcore has it's limitations, and there is only so far anyone can go while still calling it Hardcore. Don't get me wrong, that saddens me
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 21:43:49
I agree with you in the fact that music is limitless and boundaries must be broken pushed but you have to be careful that if you experiment to much and the sound changes then you may not be left with the genre you were trying to achieve and it may become something else.
I love DnB and Hardcore equally, in the tracks that I've made so far I have tried to be original and add something new every time.
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