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DjZelous
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 Posted - 2014/03/03 : 23:31:20
The other day i was organizing my vinyl collection, and i got to wondering if any labels are planning to put out any vinyl, it would be cool if future world started pressing vinyl but in limited quantities , and vinyl sales are increasing, so why not start to press up some vinyl
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2014/03/03 : 23:53:16
I'd be extremely surprised if they did. Vinyl is pretty much dead in Hardcore. It might be popular in some other genres and if vinyl sales are increasing it will only be for novelty value (or for popular music) and kind of irrelevant to most electronic genres.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/03/03 : 23:54:39
Vinyl is certainly making a comeback, and I can't see it being too long before Hardcore is reintroduced to it.
The issue is, vinyl is still expensive to stock and release. It's quite a high risk format for labels that are very small. Futureworld next to vinyl selling labels is still quite small. Most labels in Hardcore are now geared up to release digitally and are streamlined for doing so. Selling a physical product would probably require a significant change in how the labels are run as a business.
Regardless, if vinyl continues it's repopularisation, Hardcore will eventually cotton on and go for it. At least, I hope it does.
Edit. I'd have to disagree with Hard2Get there, vinyl's making a comeback fueled almost exclusively by EDM genres such as Drum & Bass and indie labels. Of course, it's not something the major's would ever reinvest in, but I don't think that vinyl is only selling more now than since the early 90's due to novelty
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2014/03/03 : 23:58:57
Vinyl has always been very much alive in DnB though and other much more popular genres. The problem is that it would cost so much and is so unnecessary that most Hardcore labels just won't be willing to do it. There would need to be a significant amount of people willing to buy it, and i can't see that happening, which is why they stopped to begin with. People have already adjusted to digital formats now and it would be so expensive to go back for most. The cost can be justified when it's necessarily but it's really not.
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ricHARDcore
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 00:11:06
This topic makes me so much nostalgic about old times where I was use to buy vinils online and import them here.
It was sooo much exclusive music.
I still have my collection of UK hardcore here and I'll never sell it for anything.
I also think that vinils add something entertaining for the crowd due to the fact that you can see the dj putting a new track on.
Last point, at that time, only talented people were able to mix tracks as there were no "sync" button on the turntables. The only way to make your beatmatch was with your ears and your headphones. The result was that only passionnate people were mixing. (it was here)
I also think that there were more quality tracks released at this time....
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 00:13:16
Vinyl is far superior yes.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 19:01:10
We're contemplating doing a vinyl edition of "Happy Hardcore Underground". In terms of general single releases that's been a no go in genre for.... I'm gonna say two years? Hell, might even be three.
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Kebab Head
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 19:39:03
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Originally posted by CDJay:
We're contemplating doing a vinyl edition of "Happy Hardcore Underground". In terms of general single releases that's been a no go in genre for.... I'm gonna say two years? Hell, might even be three.
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Personally HU is the label of the moment in hardcore I can't see any other label as being top dog tbh (maybe lethal theory)
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 19:49:41
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
We're contemplating doing a vinyl edition of "Happy Hardcore Underground". In terms of general single releases that's been a no go in genre for.... I'm gonna say two years? Hell, might even be three.
CDJay
Yes must be about three years now. I was left in a limbo for about a year and a half when I couldn't buy any new tunes. Finally upgraded to cdj's in summer 2012 and downloaded about 80 tunes.
Kept my turntables and recently bought a djm 700 so have 2 cdj's and 2 turntables hooked up to it. Loving the new set up and would happily buy more vinyls if I had the chance.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2014/03/17 : 01:25:07
I think RB, Quosh or Evo was the last to press a vinyl. Maybe in 2010, 2011 at the latest.
It's a dead format in hardcore. Rightfully so. Anyone who genuinely thinks vinyl is a better distribution method or sounds better than digital has their nostalgia goggles on tight imo.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/03/17 : 02:41:17
quote:
Originally posted by Elliott:
I think RB, Quosh or Evo was the last to press a vinyl. Maybe in 2010, 2011 at the latest.
It's a dead format in hardcore. Rightfully so. Anyone who genuinely thinks vinyl is a better distribution method or sounds better than digital has their nostalgia goggles on tight imo.
I think there's more to vinyl than just the business aspect. Vinyl is something owners can enjoy far more than digital. It's inconvenience adds to it's charm and value. Listening to it becomes an event you can thoroughly enjoy rather than something you can have listening conveniently in the background while you do something else. It's something I investigated with some depth in my dissertation
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/03/17 : 04:32:03
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
quote:
Originally posted by Elliott:
I think RB, Quosh or Evo was the last to press a vinyl. Maybe in 2010, 2011 at the latest.
It's a dead format in hardcore. Rightfully so. Anyone who genuinely thinks vinyl is a better distribution method or sounds better than digital has their nostalgia goggles on tight imo.
I think there's more to vinyl than just the business aspect. Vinyl is something owners can enjoy far more than digital. It's inconvenience adds to it's charm and value. Listening to it becomes an event you can thoroughly enjoy rather than something you can have listening conveniently in the background while you do something else. It's something I investigated with some depth in my dissertation
tbh, the only time I want to own a vinyl is for the tracks I really like. But I still prefer a digital copy in the end.
Also, if we want to go by the "industry", you really never own it, you just bought a license to listen to that recording. I think there's even a paragraph where they can revoke the license even (how they will enforce it I dont know :P)
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Alexbturbo
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Posted - 2014/03/17 : 15:36:42
I sold the last of my Hardcore vinyl collection earlier this year - haven't listened to it in years & it was just taking up space so it had to go.
Someone on eBay was mad enough to hand over 150 pounds for what I think was about 300 records so 50p each wasn't bad going given the average market value for purchase seems to be about 5-10p for the places that do want to take it off your hands.
Just need to get rid of the rest of my vinyl now which amounts to about 1800 records over hard house, house, etc, from '99 through '07 although a lot of that is barely worth market value to most places apart from the odd release that seems to be worth a quid if you're lucky, or unless I find another mad fool on eBay willing to take it off my hands lol
Mad to think how much it would have cost originally to buy plus the fact it's not worth much of anything now apart from to collectors or those who have the time / space to list it all on Discogs.
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DJ SCOTT DEVOTION
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Posted - 2014/03/17 : 19:12:15
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Originally posted by ricHARDcore:
This topic makes me so much nostalgic about old times where I was use to buy vinils online and import them here.
It was sooo much exclusive music.
I still have my collection of UK hardcore here and I'll never sell it for anything.
I also think that vinils add something entertaining for the crowd due to the fact that you can see the dj putting a new track on.
Last point, at that time, only talented people were able to mix tracks as there were no "sync" button on the turntables. The only way to make your beatmatch was with your ears and your headphones. The result was that only passionnate people were mixing. (it was here)
I also think that there were more quality tracks released at this time....
Totally agree mate. Vinyl is the best way to play music, but in terms of dance music as a dj/producer it was vital to have your new music ready to play right away and test out new music with cd's. The mixing of music with cd's is just boring, it is done for you, there is no skill at all, it just makes the djs now piss about with effects and try to make the music sound even more awful than it already sounds.
It is a shame in ways that vinyl is gone as it was great back in the day, early 90s onwards. I would go down toht record shop and spend all day there chatting with other ravers and people buying music and you would pick up your flyers and rave clothing etc, it was a great experience,the kids now into hardcore would love it, it gave it a real community feel.
I make music in dnb and we still put out records and they sell very well, it is a far bigger I know and I dont think a hardcore label could afford to put vinyl out now. I dont no much about hardcore anymore, but assume so. I would imagine major labels in hardcore might push 1000 sales per track on download? It is a shame, but small scenes like hardcore do not have an option in putting vinyl out, unless it is a special release, but then I dont think it is worth it. There are far more people releasing cd's now in dnb and other genre's, although we have pushed out large numbers of records in the passed.
The whole turntable stuff I love and participate in dj DMC comps and really do not feel scratching and tricks on the cd's, anyone over 30 will prob feel the same, but then again we are too old for hardcore lol, the new kids have taken over they do not no anyhting different and that is a dam shame. Nothing like having a vinyl and it's sleeve etc.
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/03/17 : 20:05:11
I thought the best way is to actually be played? :P
CDDJs might taken out the fun for some, but in the end, isn't it all about the music instead of what it's on?
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djscavenger
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Posted - 2014/03/17 : 21:05:31
The format does matter, I used to love rough around the edges mixes from hixxy and so on. I used to try an replicate mixes on my turntables. Now that its all CDJ's and computers it has taken something away from the mixing process.
I miss vinly but there is more chance of Michael Jackson making a comeback tbh
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