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The drunken scotsman
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 Posted - 2014/06/07 : 06:49:39
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Originally posted by skarr:
Thank u everyone for taking the time to read what i think, it is a massive pleasure to have an intelligent discussion with people that actually know what they are talking about.
But part 2.......
Klubfiller..... very very talented producer, and has a good ear for hardcore music, but why book him to play 'anthem' sets when really, he knows **** all about uk hardcore from more than 3 years ago.People say he only got to where he is because of storm, but to be honest, i think he'd be better off without him.
Freeform, - Thumpa, has played an absolute pivotal role, if not THE biggest role in getting freeform to where it is today,without him freeform would not be what it is, so big up Thumpa.
He was one of the only people that instead of moaning about the music, got off his arse and did something about it, its a shame 2 see him leave, but in my eyes, he leaves a legacy behind him.R.I.P Rebuild Music...
Fracus n Darwin--- i think they are very hit and miss, sometimes their tracks blow my mind, completely,but sometimes i think they are a little bit boring, but 75% of the tunes they make you can feel their true love for hardcore, they are probably the only people in the 'top tier' that have got to where they are through sheer hard work and dedication.
But all in all, i think most of the 'best; people arent here anymore, 'ham' by far the best producer other than darren styles,sy (obvious reasons) and Nu foundation, God only knows what sort of stuff he would be coming out with now, but we are blessed with the beautifull music he made..........
My opinion on Klubfiller. - Extremely average producer who has got lucky because of his connections with re-con and squad-e. To give the guy his due, he's very good at marketing himself and most likely networking with other DJ's/MC's/Promoters. This has played a huge part in his rise to where he is now, as on talent alone he is very limited. On the plus side his label Klubbed up has given a platform for some very promising up and coming talent such as J-Mac and Nuton. Fair play to Klubfiller for that.
His DJ sets are absolutely dreadful most of the time. Packed full of edits which involve merging old classic tunes with other old classic tunes. I don't think there's a darren styles tunes that Klubfiller hasn't attempted to butcher. So uninspiring. I get that he's trying to be different but there just has to be another way to stand out from the crowd.
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The Dopeman
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Posted - 2014/06/07 : 09:36:49
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
If an MC told me to edit my track for them to 'spit bars' for a bit longer, I'd be telling them to knob off! Unless it was a close colleague MC who works mostly with me and wanted a special one-off or something, and face it that's not going to happen.
Problem is, if an MC can topple an event, they can sure as hell stop a DJ from being hired to play for a night
I'd begin scratching over the extended section before the MC could begin his mindless chatter.
i'd probably cut the music off get on stage n knock the **** out...the proceed with my set can't stand mc's especially if they sound like storm he sounds like a toddler having a temper tantrum
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Claxton
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Posted - 2014/06/07 : 10:14:45
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
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Originally posted by skarr:
Thank u everyone for taking the time to read what i think, it is a massive pleasure to have an intelligent discussion with people that actually know what they are talking about.
But part 2.......
Klubfiller..... very very talented producer, and has a good ear for hardcore music, but why book him to play 'anthem' sets when really, he knows **** all about uk hardcore from more than 3 years ago.People say he only got to where he is because of storm, but to be honest, i think he'd be better off without him.
Freeform, - Thumpa, has played an absolute pivotal role, if not THE biggest role in getting freeform to where it is today,without him freeform would not be what it is, so big up Thumpa.
He was one of the only people that instead of moaning about the music, got off his arse and did something about it, its a shame 2 see him leave, but in my eyes, he leaves a legacy behind him.R.I.P Rebuild Music...
Fracus n Darwin--- i think they are very hit and miss, sometimes their tracks blow my mind, completely,but sometimes i think they are a little bit boring, but 75% of the tunes they make you can feel their true love for hardcore, they are probably the only people in the 'top tier' that have got to where they are through sheer hard work and dedication.
But all in all, i think most of the 'best; people arent here anymore, 'ham' by far the best producer other than darren styles,sy (obvious reasons) and Nu foundation, God only knows what sort of stuff he would be coming out with now, but we are blessed with the beautifull music he made..........
My opinion on Klubfiller. - Extremely average producer who has got lucky because of his connections with re-con and squad-e. To give the guy his due, he's very good at marketing himself and most likely networking with other DJ's/MC's/Promoters. This has played a huge part in his rise to where he is now, as on talent alone he is very limited. On the plus side his label Klubbed up has given a platform for some very promising up and coming talent such as J-Mac and Nuton. Fair play to Klubfiller for that.
His DJ sets are absolutely dreadful most of the time. Packed full of edits which involve merging old classic tunes with other old classic tunes. I don't think there's a darren styles tunes that Klubfiller hasn't attempted to butcher. So uninspiring. I get that he's trying to be different but there just has to be another way to stand out from the crowd.
That pretty much sums up how I feel about Klubfiller. In fact, you've hit the nail on the head.
The thing that frustrates me the most about hardcore, is that the majority of the ravers lap it up and just follow what they are told is good. If Darren Styles played them a Fracus & Darwin track passing it off as his own they would love it. But, I suppose this is the case throughout music.
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DJ T33
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Posted - 2014/06/07 : 10:31:01
[quote]Originally posted by skarr:
Klubfiller..... very very talented producer, and has a good ear for hardcore music, but why book him to play 'anthem' sets when really, he knows **** all about uk hardcore from more than 3 years ago.
I think that Klubfiller has been around a bit longer than three years, his original alias Stevie B had what I think was his first release on Clubland X-treme Hardcore 2 which I think was in 2006.
I'm just saying...
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skarr
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Posted - 2014/06/07 : 11:03:53
im 99.9% certain i read him say that he has only been focusing on hardcore music for 3 years, but slight change of topic, the only thing more boring than your average 'dj mob' tune is Sharkeys constant retirement essays, wonder how long it will be untill the next one...... im saying 18 months at a push.......
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skarr
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Posted - 2014/06/07 : 11:08:57
And yes i agree, klubfillers dj sets are AWFULL, i think most of the stuff he makes is 'listen at home hardcore'.
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fakka13k
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Posted - 2014/06/07 : 20:52:27
So why don't promoters put on events without Mc's?
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skankineddie666
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Posted - 2014/06/08 : 09:04:13
Correct me if i'm wrong but What happen to Australia?????? They were pumping out amazing hardcore producers like Orbit1, Sc@r, S3RL, Haze and the whole AWF team. Thats what i wish hardcore sounded more like again...
on another note I feel that Petruccio & Modulate paved the way for the current scene with their DUBCORE sound on their "OUR SOUND" album...just saying.....that had to do a lot with what FUTUREWORLD became. All their tracks released have a heavy electro sound.
Maybe I'm wrong.... someone should correct me.
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2014/06/08 : 09:18:22
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Originally posted by skankineddie666:
on another note I feel that Petruccio & Modulate paved the way for the current scene with their DUBCORE sound on their "OUR SOUND" album...just saying.....that had to do a lot with what FUTUREWORLD became. All their tracks released have a heavy electro sound.
Maybe I'm wrong.... someone should correct me.
You're correct to an extent here. They were the first to really go for that sound in hardcore but I think it was going that way regardless. Hardcore seems to take a lot of influence from what is popular at the time and dub step was really popular at that time. Plus the 'old' sound had become quite stale.
When that sound first came about was a really dark time for hardcore imo. It seemed that every single producer was making the same sounding tunes, with no melody, just a bunch of weird noises. Clubland X-Treme Hardcore 8 is the best example I can think of - a truly terrible compilation which highlighted how bad things were at that time. Thankfully it didn't last too long and most producers have now got the balance right.
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brodster
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Posted - 2014/06/08 : 19:43:52
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Originally posted by skankineddie666:
Correct me if i'm wrong but What happen to Australia?????? They were pumping out amazing hardcore producers like Orbit1, Sc@r, S3RL, Haze and the whole AWF team. Thats what i wish hardcore sounded more like again...
Maybe I'm wrong.... someone should correct me.
Hardstyle happened to Australia
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Rodz90
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Posted - 2014/06/09 : 12:42:44
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Originally posted by skankineddie666:
Correct me if i'm wrong but What happen to Australia?????? They were pumping out amazing hardcore producers like Orbit1, Sc@r, S3RL, Haze and the whole AWF team. Thats what i wish hardcore sounded more like again...
on another note I feel that Petruccio & Modulate paved the way for the current scene with their DUBCORE sound on their "OUR SOUND" album...just saying.....that had to do a lot with what FUTUREWORLD became. All their tracks released have a heavy electro sound.
Maybe I'm wrong.... someone should correct me.
One of the first i think, was Peaks & Pinnacle - Cookie Dynamo, but yeah definitely pettrucio and modulate in a big way with the Your Shining remix for Breeze
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2014/06/09 : 13:51:18
Ooh this looks fun. Do me do me!
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/06/09 : 15:00:25
My Opinion of Thumpa: Re-sales, Not Even Once
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Quicksilver
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Posted - 2014/06/09 : 15:48:52
Klubfiller is quite average if you ask me, when it comes to production. I don't think he would've ever gotten so "popular" (using that term lightly) if he was only a producer, but as it is he's a producer "with benefits" so he got a lot of spotlight and people were brainwashed that he's very good. I love his "Feel Alive", "Own Groove" and "Break of Day" but other than that his solo tunes are forgettable, in my opinion.
Unknown is a mess. He's a bit like Klubfiller - but possibly has even less awesome solo tracks. He's yet to impress me after the Sy drama.
Don't even get me started on MCs...
I'm not sure if I dislike Futureworld a bit more than I probably do because of Breeze, but HU has got the right idea and they don't shut others out while FW is in their own little bubble led by Breeze on a littly pony. Breeze is the biggest insult to the scene, he's even worse than Gammer when it comes to obnoxious replies and taking comments personally - and the man is maybe 20 years older than Gammer, and his music isn't even close to Gammer's quality. It's embarrasing. Breeze totally declined for me after around 2011, and there's no redeeming himself in my eyes. I cringe just thinking about that old man acting like a teenage boy.
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Originally posted by Thumpa:
Ooh this looks fun. Do me do me!
He already did in Part 2. ;)
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2014/06/09 : 18:08:29
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
Klubfiller is quite average if you ask me, when it comes to production. I don't think he would've ever gotten so "popular" (using that term lightly) if he was only a producer, but as it is he's a producer "with benefits" so he got a lot of spotlight and people were brainwashed that he's very good. I love his "Feel Alive", "Own Groove" and "Break of Day" but other than that his solo tunes are forgettable, in my opinion.
Unknown is a mess. He's a bit like Klubfiller - but possibly has even less awesome solo tracks. He's yet to impress me after the Sy drama.
Don't even get me started on MCs...
I'm not sure if I dislike Futureworld a bit more than I probably do because of Breeze, but HU has got the right idea and they don't shut others out while FW is in their own little bubble led by Breeze on a littly pony. Breeze is the biggest insult to the scene, he's even worse than Gammer when it comes to obnoxious replies and taking comments personally - and the man is maybe 20 years older than Gammer, and his music isn't even close to Gammer's quality. It's embarrasing. Breeze totally declined for me after around 2011, and there's no redeeming himself in my eyes. I cringe just thinking about that old man acting like a teenage boy.
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Originally posted by Thumpa:
Ooh this looks fun. Do me do me!
He already did in Part 2. ;)
I used to (and still do) love breeze and styles tunes like a lot of people. But it became quite apparent when they stopped working together as much, that Styles was the magic touch behind the huge catalogue of anthems.
When breeze started collaborating with other producers and doing more solo tracks they were mostly poor to average, bar the odd track. He was really found out as a bang average producer who had been lucky enough to have a close working relationship/friendship with DS.
When the 'dubcore' sound came about, he was all over it like a bad rash because he thought it would be the next big thing and he wanted to be at the forefront, he was right to an extent as it went viral throughout the scene for a while. But of course people started moaning about it and it backfired on him as he was one of the main DJ's pushing the sound, especially with his mixes on CLXH.
He's been very clever with the Futureworld situation. He realised that he's not going to make a hell of a lot of money with his own productions and dwindling bookings, so has taken the admin work off other big name producers. Obviously this allows them to concentrate more on making music so it's mutually beneficial. He's now the boss of the biggest label in hardcore, which can't be a bad thing from his perspective.
All imo of course.
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