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AceofSpades_Lorenzo
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 Posted - 2014/10/09 : 15:15:52
The biggest misconception about this site; is that the large majority are either a trolls or stuck in the past. Which is a shame because there is quite a few people who visit the site that support the new stuff that they like & being released.
There's hardcore outside of Futureworld LOL
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Edited by - AceofSpades_Lorenzo on 2014/10/09 15:17:01 |
djDMS
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 15:21:42
I don't care what other people like or don't like. It's their choice and i respect that.
I don't like big room house (in general) for various reasons.
Why would i like Hardcore that sounds like big room house? It's like you're saying 'well it's 170BPM so you MUST like it'
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oxis
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 15:30:34
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Originally posted by AceofSpades_Lorenzo:There's hardcore outside of Futureworld LOL
you tell me. all i see is people complain about futureworld and about how much they suck
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Originally posted by djDMS:
I don't care what other people like or don't like. It's their choice and i respect that.
I don't like big room house (in general) for various reasons.
Why would i like Hardcore that sounds like big room house? It's like you're saying 'well it's 170BPM so you MUST like it'
of course it is subjective. but it is not a valid point to say that a song is bad because it doesnt fit in a genres criteria
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Originally posted by djDMS:
It's like you're saying 'well it's 170BPM so you MUST like it'
when have i ever implied that??? the only idea that i am using as a recurrent paradigm in my posts is that most people tend to reject a track simply because it sounds different from the hardcore they know here. you can claim otherwise but until you show me this community being open minded about something i will stick by my guns. you can use powerstomp as an example (it was pretty well received) but it will not convince me because powerstomp just sounds like regular bouncy hardcore, which was already a thing
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djDMS
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 15:43:00
You have to be open minded to like hardcore in the first place!
I think what you're finding here is that people don't feel the need to impress others by claiming to like something that they don't. Facebook and Soundcloud are NOT the only (or best) way to gather opinion as they tend to attract more positive (and dare i say exaggerated) praise.
I'm open to different stuff, as most of us here are. BUT, i don't mind saying when i dislike a track. I do try and stay away from saying 'that's shit' because i don't have the right to rubbish somebody elses work.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 15:50:50
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Originally posted by djDMS:
I do try and stay away from saying 'that's shit' because i don't have the right to rubbish somebody elses work.
Actually you do! I would fight for your right to go on to my Soundcloud and completely demolish everything I've worked on. We wouldn't be friends afterwards though.
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oxis
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 16:00:14
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Originally posted by djDMS:
You have to be open minded to like hardcore in the first place!
what? i dont understand the purpose of this line, as i never implied any of that. what i said would be closer to "you have to be open minded to respect tracks even though you dont like them, and take them into consideration instead of instantly labeling them as bad because they dont follow the hardcore pattern"
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I think what you're finding here is that people don't feel the need to impress others by claiming to like something that they don't.
this is not a matter of being edgy. i think you are confusing what i am trying to get across. my point is that you can say that you hate or love whatever you want, but you should have valid reasons behind your opinion. hating a song because it sounds different is just being inconsiderate and it is not a valid reason because the concept of "genres" and "styles" only exists to help find more music that you like based on a song or sample you heard, not to use as a goal or something to try and simulate when making music
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Facebook and Soundcloud are NOT the only (or best) way to gather opinion as they tend to attract more positive (and dare i say exaggerated) praise.
that doesnt rule them out as invalid. just because it is easy to make a comment or post on a track through facebook/soundcloud/whatever doesnt mean that it is not going to be a comment that wasnt well-thought-out. besides, i wasnt really taking into account how much the commenters liked the song, i was only pointing out that the comments were all positive. but fair point
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I'm open to different stuff, as most of us here are. BUT, i don't mind saying when i dislike a track. I do try and stay away from saying 'that's shit' because i don't have the right to rubbish somebody elses work.
this is common sense
by the way, i am not directing these statements towards you specifically, as you seem to be an open minded individual. i am expressing what i have seen from general feedback from this board as a whole. just thought i would say that, since the discussion isnt really a very open discussion and we are responding to each other almost exclusively :p i dont like leaving room for misunderstandings
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djDMS
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 16:08:55
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Originally posted by oxis:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
You have to be open minded to like hardcore in the first place!
what? i dont understand the purpose of this line, as i never implied any of that.
I know you didn't say that, but i thought it worth pointing out that as followers of music that the vast majority of people have no interest in (or make fun of) we know what it's like to come up against a general lack of understanding.
You make a lot of good points, glad there's some good discussion instead of pettiness and insults.
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oxis
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 16:17:42
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Originally posted by djDMS:
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Originally posted by oxis:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
You have to be open minded to like hardcore in the first place!
what? i dont understand the purpose of this line, as i never implied any of that.
I know you didn't say that, but i thought it worth pointing out that as followers of music that the vast majority of people have no interest in (or make fun of) we know what it's like to come up against a general lack of understanding.
oh i see. i minsuderstood you then.
its not hard to have a decent discussion, just go into subjects with an open mind and you will almost certainly have valuable input :)
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You make a lot of good points, glad there's some good discussion instead of pettiness and insults.
thanks, i guess. to be honest i am pretty glad that my posts were not taken as exceptionally rude or disruptive, as i have been called out to be someone who searches conflict too much lol :p but thanks for the discussion friend
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ViolonC
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 18:50:33
Oh boy, what did i do...
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 19:52:39
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Originally posted by ViolonC:
Oh boy, what did i do...
lol @ you trying to take credit for the direction of this conversation. If there's anyone to blame it's Jacco for posting that terrible tune.
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 21:11:55
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by ViolonC:
Oh boy, what did i do...
lol @ you trying to take credit for the direction of this conversation. If there's anyone to blame it's Jacco for posting that terrible tune.
Jacco did nothing wrong you berk, it was Wong's fault!
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 21:15:53
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Originally posted by oxis:whatever rant you made here
Where you around when Breeze was saying that whatever he played on Clubland Xtreme Hardcore 8 and 9(?) where going to be the next big thing in hardcore? :P
Also, alot of us here (excluding me, to be fair, I can be an idiot when it comes to voicing my opinion) actually give fair critism to the stuff we do not like.
Compared to the likes of Youtube and late day USH, we do not say a track is a poorly produced track ,because most of them are produced in a good way, but they aren't aimed at Hardcore listeners anymore.
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ViolonC
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Posted - 2014/10/09 : 22:32:35
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by ViolonC:
Oh boy, what did i do...
lol @ you trying to take credit for the direction of this conversation. If there's anyone to blame it's Jacco for posting that terrible tune.
Well, if you think i'm not to blame then i can live with that.  Don't like the direction anyway.
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oxis
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Posted - 2014/10/10 : 19:34:11
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Originally posted by Samination:
Where you around when Breeze was saying that whatever he played on Clubland Xtreme Hardcore 8 and 9(?) where going to be the next big thing in hardcore? :P
i just listened to a few breeze tracks from clubland 8 for the purpose of context and they didnt really sound like anything i would enjoy
whatever the artist claims he is going to do is irrelevant, as feedback is what really dictates whether a release is successful or not (unless the artist made a concrete promise and then did not do what he compromised himself to do by choice). feel free to hate him for it but that is beyond the topic
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Originally posted by Samination:
Also, alot of us here (excluding me, to be fair, I can be an idiot when it comes to voicing my opinion) actually give fair critism to the stuff we do not like.
that is great to know. unfortunately it seems to me that a significant amount of the demographics does not, as we can still see comments that are essentially "this track is bad because it sounds more compressed" or "this is bad because it doesnt follow x like hardcore should". i am not trying to convert 100% of ravers to a liberal hippy state of mind, but the people who judge music in a fair way do not seem like the majority (and if they are, not by much)
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Originally posted by Samination:
Compared to the likes of Youtube and late day USH, we do not say a track is a poorly produced track ,because most of them are produced in a good way, but they aren't aimed at Hardcore listeners anymore.
there are always fans for everything. the "crappy" hardcore is simply a style that was born from its predecessor (hardcore), and i dont think it is fair to say that an artist should not make music in that style simply because it mislabels hardcore. the "new style" did not replace the old hardcore, there are still all kinds of hardcore around
you can say that they are not aimed at hardcore listeners anymore, but maybe they are aimed at someone else. the evolution of a genre should not restrict itself inside the walls of the general opinion. like i mentioned above, feedback only measures success
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Originally posted by oxis:whatever rant you made here
rant? are you not used to seeing regular discussions? i thought that was the purpose of forums
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Originally posted by ViolonC:
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by ViolonC:
Oh boy, what did i do...
lol @ you trying to take credit for the direction of this conversation. If there's anyone to blame it's Jacco for posting that terrible tune.
Well, if you think i'm not to blame then i can live with that. Don't like the direction anyway.
you guys sure have a weird reaction to a discussion.. what is wrong with a little back and forth? although i admit we have come a long way from discussing petruccio quitting lol. but it is not a useless discussion
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DJSquare
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Posted - 2014/10/10 : 19:57:21
So everybody starts to leave hardcore at the same time I decide to make a comeback... Figures
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