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Elliott
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 Posted - 2015/10/13 : 11:00:54
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Martin Garrix is one of the biggest flukes in music history for Animals.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.
The funny thing is that if I'd wrote that track, I'd have thrown it away. Guess I don't understand what people like.
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Samination
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Posted - 2015/10/13 : 11:04:55
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Martin Garrix is one of the biggest flukes in music history for Animals.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.
The funny thing is that if I'd wrote that track, I'd have thrown it away. Guess I don't understand what people like.
One guy's trash is another guy's treasure?
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Elipton
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Posted - 2015/10/13 : 19:02:47
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Martin Garrix is one of the biggest flukes in music history for Animals.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.
The funny thing is that if I'd wrote that track, I'd have thrown it away. Guess I don't understand what people like.
One guy's trash is another guy's treasure?
Can't dispute that people like it. It topped a lot of charts, but it was a one-off miracle track. There have been many tracks like Animals and they've faded into obscurity. The style of music and the talent needed to make it is unremarkable, but it was the perfect track for that moment and Garrix became a house-hold name. Stranger things have happened when the planets are aligned..
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rafferty
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Posted - 2015/11/02 : 06:31:44
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Originally posted by Vladel:
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Originally posted by rafferty:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
1. You're wrong
2. You might want to a bit less patronising.
I can't tell who you're replying to but if it's Brodster, I suggest you check out his music. From a technical standpoint, the guy absolutely slays it (listen to the engineering quality on Citylights for example). I trust his opinion on the matter. For my part, I've never tried to make a "modern hardcore" track because I hate that style but I really don't see how it would be any more difficult than the traditional supersaw-driven stuff. The leads are a lot weaker on the newer tracks anyway so I assume a lot less work goes into layering.
My mistake, thought I'd quoted Rafferty.
I'm all for 'progress'. But if that progress means just grabbing whatever is popular at the time then it can't be can it?
And for the record, I don't want Hardcore to sound like it did 10 or 20 years ago, I want it to have it's own identity like it did in the beginning. I've played recent Hardcore to people and the reaction was unanimous- 'oh, that just sounds like....'
I agree with you that Hardcore should have it's own identity. I think it always will to be honest.
As for hardcore following whats popular. Hardcore did that very thing in 2000 when it was named UK Hardcore.
In 2000 Trance was as big as EDM is now and everyone jumped on the popular Trance bandwagen. Hixxy even said I remember in an interview that all the Raver Baby producers at the time were heavily influenced by Trance producers.
So many of the tracks out were Trance ripp offs too. Nothing Hardcore about them. Just faster with a heavier kick.
So I really don't get why people don't like Hardcore getting influences from Edm and House music again. Hardcore pretty much started with House and Techno music influences and now your complaining about it going to it's roots in a newer better produced form.
Music has to evolve guys. Hardstyle even has evolved. It is probably one of the biggest genres around since they starting using Distorted Kicks.
That very evolution from Hard Trance to Hardstyle is what has put the genre on the map and respected.
I am certain if UK Hardcore evolves it will get alot bigger. Hardstyle kicks are becoming really poplular in Hardcore as well as edm House riffs.
The difference being the trance influenced stuff was good and the edm stuff is not
That sounds like an opinion from someone stuck in the past. There is a reason Tiesto ditched Trance. He saw that Trance had run it's course and there are newer less formulated sounds in the Edm scene.
You may think the Trance sound from over decade ago is better, but 90% of the next generation of ravers prefer EDM, Trap and Hardstyle influences.
Music will keep moving forward whether you guys like it or not.
If everyone in the scene though like you it would still be 1988 and all acid house and no evolution.
Why hold back progress of better more exciting produced music? There is more variety in Hardcore than there has been in years. Plenty of experimentation and fresh style productions. Which will only be healthy for the scene and keep the younger punters going to raves.
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Edited by - rafferty on 2015/11/02 06:43:19 |
Samination
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Posted - 2015/11/02 : 09:14:40
why hold back "innovation"? Well I dont know, I think Heavy Metal have done extremily well since Ozzy Ozborne helped introduce it in the 70's, without changing too much.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2015/11/04 : 18:38:05
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why hold back "innovation"? Well I dont know, I think Heavy Metal have done extremily well since Ozzy Ozborne helped introduce it in the 70's, without changing too much.
Purists would argue that it has changed completely.
What's so great about innovation anyway? I still hate typing on a touchscreen as much as I did when those phones were introduced.
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Quicksilver
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Posted - 2015/11/04 : 21:08:14
I like both styles as much, to me the important bits are the melodies, drive and bass in the songs. I produce the old style but try to have a few influences from the newer style. I just make and listen to what I love, basically. Sometimes, however, I wish the new style was a bit "harder". I know, UK Hardcore was never really hard to begin with (in comparison to Gabber) but it's gotten way softer lately.
One particular style or trend that I absolutely dislike is the minimal drops. Now, if that had taken over I probably wouldn't be listening to hardcore anymore. I mean tracks that have awesome breakdowns and build-ups with melodies and synths and drum roll aaaaaaaand then just drops to the DJ intro with kick and bass, then layering some fart sounds and percussion.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2015/11/04 : 22:12:53
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by Samination:
why hold back "innovation"? Well I dont know, I think Heavy Metal have done extremily well since Ozzy Ozborne helped introduce it in the 70's, without changing too much.
Purists would argue that it has changed completely.
What's so great about innovation anyway? I still hate typing on a touchscreen as much as I did when those phones were introduced.
Completely with you., but at all levels of the scene balance appears to be being slowly restored. Being dubby, trappy, EDMey, for the sake of it appears to have taken a back seat to actually integrating modern sounds into a genre without necessarily strapping an inverted dildo in a mask onto it and hoping it can survive on its own stomach contents.
There's hope.
This has happened before, circa 2001. Embrace it, and we might yet get another triumphant range of years.
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Laser
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Posted - 2015/11/13 : 02:05:02
I'm fairly young, 21, been listening to hardcore for a while and I live in the states.
From what I'm seeing, hardcore is breaking molds it's been stuck in for years. I'm hearing A LOT of big room, drumstep, and whatnot and it's absolutely brilliant. some of it falls flat but not everything is gonna be a banger.
Music will always evolve and change, man that's just a fact. No genre ever stays the same. But appreciate how far it's come and how it's captivating more audiences now more than ever before thanks to the internet! :D
But yeah I'll agree I'm so in love with early 2000's hardcore. Classic is as classic was.
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Doc Mcfly
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Posted - 2017/04/10 : 21:04:14
Any fellow Scott Brown fans? (Well his older stuff anyway) I really love his tracks Blue Anthem and Definition Of A Bad Boy. I want more in the style of those two tracks so bad. Elysium is definitely a classic. I enjoy it but not us much as the other two I mentioned. I've heard his other tracks from the mid 2000's and they're ok but the two I mentioned above are the best in my opinion.
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