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eddiewould
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 Posted - 2007/07/02 : 06:13:33
Just wondering how long it takes you (on average) to beatmatch two tracks. Also state whether you consider yourself a beginner, intermediate or pro and what equipment you're using.
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NeXuS
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Posted - 2007/07/02 : 08:20:04
How long it takes to learn?
Or just how long to get 2 beats in sync?
To learn its actually the first and easiest thing u will learn. Actually mixing well is the hard part.
To sync 2 beats... anywhere from instantly to maybe a couple seconds to get the que to catch up / slow down & match tempo. If u got weak motors in your tables (like my case) it could also fall out of sync unless your making your corrections as u hear em.
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/07/02 : 09:05:04
Not so much starting the track and making sure it's perfectly in time down to the frame, but the process of figuring out whether the cued track needs to be speed up or slowed down, and by how much. (For example you have a 175 BPM track and a 170 BPM track and you don't know their speeds in advance)
A couple of seconds sounds really fast! At the moment using software (Traktor Studio) it takes me about 3 minutes to get the two tunes perfectly in time! (I have covered up the BPM and synchronization indicators on my screen so I can't cheat)
Obviously I'm just learning but I figure I'm gonna need to be much faster than this - otherwise I'll be constantly beatmatching!!!
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charlieee
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Posted - 2007/07/02 : 10:09:02
it will just take time to train ur ears to hear it ect but yeh just keep at it....btw usually after a while u can tell the diff between 170 bpm n 175pm and it's only a diff of 3%
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/07/02 : 12:32:53
Not long... Within 10 seconds. Would likely need some fine tuning/corrections along the way to get it bang on.
Get yourself some decks or a midi controller.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2007/07/02 : 16:47:39
duno how long it takes me to beatmatch i usually run out of vinyl 
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Brian K
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Posted - 2007/07/02 : 18:13:43
I remember it used to take me ages to get kick drums matched, now I usually have it down within 5-10 seconds.
but I guess that depends on where I'm at...if I'm at home it's really easy, if I'm at a venue w/ a shitty monitor...not so much =P
buying records that are difficult to mix really helped me early on...most of the stuff that's come out these days is a cake walk compared to early 90s stuff were the production level on tunes wasn't that great, at least from a dj's point of view
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NeXuS
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Posted - 2007/07/02 : 18:30:33
quote:
Originally posted by eddiewould:
A couple of seconds sounds really fast! At the moment using software (Traktor Studio) it takes me about 3 minutes to get the two tunes perfectly in time!
3 minutes? Thats insane!
What I do is at the beginning of a 32beat set on the track I am playing, start the que'd track. At the first beat the two tracks should be equal, then from there you can hear if the que is slower or faster and you make your adjustments from there.
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Leto
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Posted - 2007/07/02 : 18:43:48
3 Minutes???
I can get them beatmatched in Traktor in a matter of seconds. I think it just takes practice.
Same with CD-J's, it takes about 10 or 20 seconds, long enough to make the proper adjustments.
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Meph751
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Posted - 2007/07/02 : 19:10:22
it's still hit or miss for me when i try, but just keep practicing, you'll start to get a point where you have a natural sense of the speed of the tracks, and will know almost immediately that one track is faster than the other.
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Hashlygreen69
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Posted - 2007/07/02 : 20:57:56
ive been learning to mix for about a year i would class myself between beginner and intermediate and i use numark 1625 direct drives(not so much at the mo cos my motors are going). takes me about 2mins to beatmatch but i like to use an extra minute or two just to make sure however it all depends on the track ur playing i can still **** up sometimes. i find mixing is just trial and error just make ajustments about 1% at a time till you get close and then narrow it down like to a tenth of a percent at a time till you get close enough.
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/07/03 : 03:35:01
My only answer is too long. Usually I can't count on myself to get it right, but when I do, it's in about 30 seconds. Strangely enough, mixing well comes rather naturally to me, and if I can get it beatmatched, I mix pretty fast and pretty seamlessly, but beatmatching is ridiculously hard for me (except with bouncy techno for some reason, but I'm not sure what that's all about.) Total beginner with very little practice on crap CD decks with tiny monitors that distort a bunch.
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DJ-Pure
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Posted - 2007/07/03 : 17:02:10
DnB: Professional
B.M :4-6 Beats
Mix : Any length i desired.
Hardcore: Talented
B.M : 4-6 Beats
Mix : any length desired.
Personally i think it's down to the beats, you can match the first four but the next four could be out, so to be bang on you should really count at least eight beats to see if they all mach, then you're sorted (or on what ever beat scale you want to do)
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tunnelrush
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Posted - 2007/07/03 : 19:54:21
usally about 30 seconds to have a track locked-in with the playing-track. most tracks i spin are simliar in BPM. my sig tells my equipment. been dj'ing about 3 years now.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/07/05 : 16:02:33
depends on the tracks but assuming they're fairly straightforward
a rough beatmatch is almost instant, maybe 2 seconds
but that could be off by 1%
a semi-accurate (not much correcting) beatmatch takes maybe 10-15 seconds
(probably off by 0,1-0,5% or so)
locked (1-2 corrections per minute) takes maybe 20-30 seconds
(not off at all)
sometimes you're lucky and it takes 5 seconds, sometimes the tracks are really weird and it takes 45 seconds...
I generally beatmatch while one track is going through a breakdown so that I can throw it in right away when it kicks so that can take a few extra seconds since there's often no percussion
To answer the questions you asked:
I consider myself at the "professional" level since I mix as tightly as the big names out there and play at about 90% of raves in my City.
I use Technics 1200s.
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FrankButcher
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Posted - 2007/07/10 : 17:31:01
as long as i have the next record to hand i can get it on and matched close enough to drop in,and then drop it in within 64 beats. you can drop it in and fine tune it riding the pitch slider after that.
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