Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2017/04/17 : 23:25:28
quote:Originally posted by Chwhynny:
I just listened to the Scott Brown mix all the way through, and I have to say it's made me really happy. A great selection of tracks (and remixes!) that are true to Scott Brown's sound and vibe. I'm very impressed, and these days I am really hard to please.
Is this like "it sounds like Scott Brown" or is it like when CDJay tells me that hardcore is still happy?
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Elliott Advanced Member
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Posted - 2017/04/17 : 23:34:36
quote:Originally posted by Chwhynny:
You were wrong last time, dude. And you're wrong again. The Scott Brown tracks are very true to his sound.
Oops. I can't keep up with the posts it seems, which is pretty rare on here.
I wasn't really wrong. I thought that HU HH1 was a good showcase of some of the best that modern hardcore has to offer. When I accepted that it was what it was, I was able to enjoy it. But I was only able to enjoy it by compromising on my idea of hardcore, which I didn't think I would be able to do (that's where I was wrong). HH1 was a great way to paper over the cracks and temporarily avert my wrath but it wasn't enough to change my opinion of anything. You'll notice that I'm still decidedly unconverted!
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CDJay Advanced Member
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Posted - 2017/04/17 : 23:36:38
Could be both.
I said last time that we're in course correction mode, trying to fuse modern sounds with the roots and ethos of genre. If you ultimately hate those modern sounds, and begrudge the fact they aren't as they were, there's literally nothing anyone can do. As I said previously, I miss actual rave noises and wasn't entirely enamoured with 185 kick identikit super saw stuff by default.
If it isn't for you, that's absolutely fine, but moaning about people like Stu Infinity and Ganar is faintly mental as they're striking that balance better than most hence heavy featuring. *I* expected more SB stuff but he's genuinely enthused by what some of the new guys are doing. Even if that ultimately isn't in line with your taste it remains laudable.
It's fairly clear that this album isn't going to thrill you. I nonetheless maintain there are more deserving targets for your grievances
Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2017/04/17 : 23:48:50
quote:Originally posted by CDJay:
Could be both.
I said last time that we're in course correction mode, trying to fuse modern sounds with the roots and ethos of genre. If you ultimately hate those modern sounds, and begrudge the fact they aren't as they were, there's literally nothing anyone can do. As I said previously, I miss actual rave noises and wasn't entirely enamoured with 185 kick identikit super saw stuff by default.
If it isn't for you, that's absolutely fine, but moaning about people like Stu Infinity and Ganar is faintly mental as they're striking that balance better than most hence heavy featuring. *I* expected more SB stuff but he's genuinely enthused by what some of the new guys are doing. Even if that ultimately isn't in line with your taste it remains laudable.
It's fairly clear that this album isn't going to thrill you. I nonetheless maintain there are more deserving targets for your grievances
CDJay
HH.com has been taken over -- or, more likely, never "evolved" in the first place. Sure, I'm the most vocal critic of modern hardcore but a heavy majority of members feel the same way as I do to varying extents (and never even mind all the people who've just given up and left).
You know I have a lot of respect for you personally and for the work you do. And with your immense personal attachment to your projects, sometimes my completely impersonal criticisms probably feel quite personal. But they're not intended to be at all. From my perspective, I'm just giving my honest opinion about a prospective product and doing it with far more class and eloquence than the "it's shit" crowd we used to have around here. Be happy that, here, even your biggest critic actually cares about what you do.
To me, hardcore sounds as homogenous as ever. I gave a single sentence description in another thread that comfortably encompasses >90% of modern hardcore. The only real difference between then and now is that I liked supersaws. I never got bored of them. It's difficult to get bored of such a big, complex, layered sound.
How do I know I won't like the new album? I haven't heard it. All I can do is express reservations; I certainly can't condemn it to the shitheap. With Scott Brown involved, I may well take a punt on the purchase anyway. Unfortunately, even an album is a big outlay for me these days so it's something I have to think about but I might decide that I trust SB's judgement. Best case scenario and for all I know, he could even revive good hardcore by showing everyone that it's still possible to make that stuff commercially and as a big name.
My utopian ideal of the hardcore scene is one of real diversity where everyone produces what they actually want to produce without feeling any pressure at all to conform to any conventions. I'll never give up on it entirely.
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Samination Advanced Member
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195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2017/04/18 : 07:01:59
Elliott: If you ask me, M-Project is playing safe for the UK residents rather than being himself, so you wont see me bemoaning your criticms about him. I just hope he's experimenting with new sound (relative to himself) than actually trying to become "british" with his sound.
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CDJay Advanced Member
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Posted - 2017/04/18 : 08:57:14
Ah, Elliott, on one thing we 100% agree!
I'm *far* more interested in supporting artists that have a definable sound of their own, even if it does follow some of the patterns and influences that define the era in which they reside.
That, ultimately, is where I see albums like this having the most impact. If we reward people for writing interesting and identifiable music, rather than chastising them for not using whatever kick drum, lead sound and production methodology is the top-tier-agreed "norm", we'll end up with rounded artists writing interesting music.
Elipton Advanced Member
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Posted - 2017/04/18 : 10:17:38
quote:Originally posted by CDJay:
Ah, Elliott, on one thing we 100% agree!
I'm *far* more interested in supporting artists that have a definable sound of their own, even if it does follow some of the patterns and influences that define the era in which they reside.
That, ultimately, is where I see albums like this having the most impact. If we reward people for writing interesting and identifiable music, rather than chastising them for not using whatever kick drum, lead sound and production methodology is the top-tier-agreed "norm", we'll end up with rounded artists writing interesting music.
It'll take time, but it's a realistic goal.
CDJay
This was refreshing to read. Of course, it's not news that this was your mantra, but it's good to be reminded. I hope that artists have open license to have fun and make it super unique. There's a lot of talent, it just needs to run amok every now and again.
CDJay Advanced Member
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Posted - 2017/04/18 : 11:13:16
A good example of this is that "Edge of a Broken Heart" track. I was genuinely surprised it exists.
It's unique sounding, floaty, moves around throughout the track and is constantly interesting.
*THAT* is what I want to see more of.
SynthWulf - Last Symphony (Scott Brown Remix) is awesome, too, familiar sounding in some ways and utterly unique in how it all pulls together.
There's plenty of stand out stuff from this album and what I *really* like about it is that we can help "break" tracks that would otherwise be lost on digital vendor release. Albums like this matter, even if most of the major players have forgotten.
" I hope that artists have open license to have fun and make it super unique. There's a lot of talent, it just needs to run amok every now and again."
They do, but it'll likely take time for them to realise it. Positive reinforcement
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
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195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2017/04/18 : 12:33:26
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Vladel Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2017/04/18 : 17:24:17
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Elliott: If you ask me, M-Project is playing safe for the UK residents rather than being himself, so you wont see me bemoaning your criticms about him. I just hope he's experimenting with new sound (relative to himself) than actually trying to become "british" with his sound.
M-project is a true god of this scene and I think he has earned the right to try something different. He does have a wide spectrum of sounds he works with and some I appreciate and others I do not but his work cannot be ignored and while his "this is how we do it" remix isn't ground breaking, there is only so much you can do with that track without fundamentally changing it to the point where you may as well call it something else.
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trippnface Advanced Member
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Posted - 2017/04/18 : 18:07:27
quote:Originally posted by Elliott:
Wow. How anti-climactic is that remix of This Is How We Do It?
I know M-Project is one of HH.com's protected producers (insert trademark symbol) so I'm going to get flak for this but it's a lazy remix. All I'm hearing is the original track with a modern kick/bass combo prefixed with a fairly nice new breakdown. The endless remixes of You're Shining and You're My Angel had more originality than this. On the plus side, even the lead sounds very similar to the original so at least it's not 2017-core bad. In fact, it's not bad at all. It's just needless. I'd prefer some new music that sounds like this rather than fan service remixes.
Outforce used to be good (I forgot his alias before that but he was producing some good stuff long before he was called Outforce). Andy Wilson's done a few sick bits over the years -- loved his Last Jungle remix. Actually, Ganar was quite good too several years ago, even if his tracks did all sound the same. It's cool to see Chexmixer get a collab with Stu Infinity. Chex is a good guy and Stu Infinity used to be one of the best fringe producers in the scene. But I'm using the past tense a lot; they've all moved on now. None of them are producing music that I want to hear anymore. Sadly, I predict the Scott Brown tracks are going to turn out to be quite modern in style to keep in tone with the rest of the mix. Overall, this is really quite an uninspiring tracklist.
I'm sticking with what I said before. In the Bonkers days, when Scott Brown chose to exclusively showcase his own music, it could be frustrating because there was so much good stuff out there to choose from (even though SB was making enough bangers to fill his disks, in his defence). These days, when most other hardcore is shite, an SB-only disk would be a blessing. And I have extreme reservations about him being brought in to do a disk with people like Outforce and Ganar featured prominently. It'd be like bringing Trixxy out of retirement to do a UK hardcore disk. I just hope this isn't the beginning of the end of SB.
Dowster & Vagabond sank without trace it seems. A real shame. They were quietly working away churning out good hardcore. I think they learnt firsthand how difficult it is to keep producing a style that the scene has moved away from. They got no play or support from the wider scene at all, which is exactly the stuff that forces everyone to produce homogenous, generic music and/or abandon their principles if they want to continue making hardcore as anything other than a hobby.
Conversely, with the Orbit1 return, I've learnt to expect nothing from returning producers. In fact, it was a pleasant surprise when Dowster & Vagabond started coming out with a very traditional brand of UK hardcore. Most returning producers just seem to come back and slot in with the zeitgeist. Like the other names in my post, Orbit1 was good at one point, under both aliases, but there's a recurring theme here. I reckon he's going to half-commit to a more modern style and end up satisfying no-one. We've seen that before.
Never thought I'd write such a doom-and-gloomy post on a Scott Brown compilation CD. It's a sign of the times, I suppose.
you NEED to swoop HU vs 24/7 hardcore dude; i promise you will love atleast a few of those tracks. daniel seven cd as well.
TRUST ME.
atleast 1 or 2 tracks that could pass for some serious 08 uk hardcore banger shit
** like; why has this not been brought up yet; actually.
2 of the most impressive dics i have purchased from HU.
I for one have not had this much pleasure and faith in uk hardcore in a very long time :D
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CDJay Advanced Member
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Posted - 2017/04/18 : 18:12:16
I'll put crazy good odds on Elliot liking the "Show me A Sign" remix, too
trippnface Advanced Member
United States
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Posted - 2017/04/18 : 18:13:06
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Elliott: If you ask me, M-Project is playing safe for the UK residents rather than being himself, so you wont see me bemoaning your criticms about him. I just hope he's experimenting with new sound (relative to himself) than actually trying to become "british" with his sound.
M-project is a true god of this scene and I think he has earned the right to try something different. He does have a wide spectrum of sounds he works with and some I appreciate and others I do not but his work cannot be ignored and while his "this is how we do it" remix isn't ground breaking, there is only so much you can do with that track without fundamentally changing it to the point where you may as well call it something else.
M project remix of Run to Me though; 8=============================D
Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2017/04/18 : 22:27:41
I was very apprehensive about the F&D remix of Cube::Hard. I love(d) Cube::Hard. I thought he was low-key one of the best fringe producers in the scene. Micro N2, Vitality, Hold The Beat and Music Of The Primes are absolute classics.
I will admit, though, that having heard the remix, it is stomping. If even a fraction of the F&D disk turns out like this, I'll eat my words with a smile on my face. I also have hope that if tracks like this are in the F&D mix then the SB mix might turn out to be what we're all hoping for.
What I've heard so far was tailor-made for my tastebuds though so let's wait and see what happens.
Edit: And when I say stomping, I mean by proper standards; not even 2017 standards.
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Elliott Advanced Member
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Posted - 2017/04/18 : 23:06:56
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:Originally posted by Elliott:
Wow. How anti-climactic is that remix of This Is How We Do It?
I know M-Project is one of HH.com's protected producers (insert trademark symbol) so I'm going to get flak for this but it's a lazy remix. All I'm hearing is the original track with a modern kick/bass combo prefixed with a fairly nice new breakdown. The endless remixes of You're Shining and You're My Angel had more originality than this. On the plus side, even the lead sounds very similar to the original so at least it's not 2017-core bad. In fact, it's not bad at all. It's just needless. I'd prefer some new music that sounds like this rather than fan service remixes.
Outforce used to be good (I forgot his alias before that but he was producing some good stuff long before he was called Outforce). Andy Wilson's done a few sick bits over the years -- loved his Last Jungle remix. Actually, Ganar was quite good too several years ago, even if his tracks did all sound the same. It's cool to see Chexmixer get a collab with Stu Infinity. Chex is a good guy and Stu Infinity used to be one of the best fringe producers in the scene. But I'm using the past tense a lot; they've all moved on now. None of them are producing music that I want to hear anymore. Sadly, I predict the Scott Brown tracks are going to turn out to be quite modern in style to keep in tone with the rest of the mix. Overall, this is really quite an uninspiring tracklist.
I'm sticking with what I said before. In the Bonkers days, when Scott Brown chose to exclusively showcase his own music, it could be frustrating because there was so much good stuff out there to choose from (even though SB was making enough bangers to fill his disks, in his defence). These days, when most other hardcore is shite, an SB-only disk would be a blessing. And I have extreme reservations about him being brought in to do a disk with people like Outforce and Ganar featured prominently. It'd be like bringing Trixxy out of retirement to do a UK hardcore disk. I just hope this isn't the beginning of the end of SB.
Dowster & Vagabond sank without trace it seems. A real shame. They were quietly working away churning out good hardcore. I think they learnt firsthand how difficult it is to keep producing a style that the scene has moved away from. They got no play or support from the wider scene at all, which is exactly the stuff that forces everyone to produce homogenous, generic music and/or abandon their principles if they want to continue making hardcore as anything other than a hobby.
Conversely, with the Orbit1 return, I've learnt to expect nothing from returning producers. In fact, it was a pleasant surprise when Dowster & Vagabond started coming out with a very traditional brand of UK hardcore. Most returning producers just seem to come back and slot in with the zeitgeist. Like the other names in my post, Orbit1 was good at one point, under both aliases, but there's a recurring theme here. I reckon he's going to half-commit to a more modern style and end up satisfying no-one. We've seen that before.
Never thought I'd write such a doom-and-gloomy post on a Scott Brown compilation CD. It's a sign of the times, I suppose.
you NEED to swoop HU vs 24/7 hardcore dude; i promise you will love atleast a few of those tracks. daniel seven cd as well.
TRUST ME.
atleast 1 or 2 tracks that could pass for some serious 08 uk hardcore banger shit
** like; why has this not been brought up yet; actually.
2 of the most impressive dics i have purchased from HU.
I for one have not had this much pleasure and faith in uk hardcore in a very long time :D
I haven't exactly been the best at keeping up with recent developments because every time I try, I just get disappointed. And when you love hardcore as much as I do, it gets quite depressing.
Thanks for the heads up mate. I have faith in your opinion so I'll check these out. If I was still able to work, I'd just take a gamble and blind buy them right now but I'll seriously consider it.
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