rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
661 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 05:40:05
quote:Originally posted by Claxton:
So I decided to write a blog very much off the back of Gammer's. It's my first attempt at anything like this and non of my thoughts are particularly groundbreaking. Anyway, see what you think!
quote:Sadly, this is still very much the case. Despite Gammer & Darren remixing Justin Bieber, Dougal & Gammer getting the opportunity to play at Warehouse Project and said artists receiving DJ support from big names in dance music, I question whether the music is actually benefiting from this...
I agree with some of your blog but not all of it.
MCs, well they used to be more about flowing with the dj and the crowd. MC Ribbs at Club Kinetic is more the MCing I prefer. The rap here and there and interact with the crowd and the dj but without overtaking completely!! They still seem to do it like this in the Hardstyle scene. But for some reason a lot of the new MCs in the UK don't want to be a host but prefer to over talk with too much rapping at a million miles an hour. MC Storm started this over talking and seems every MC has been influenced by him.
As for music. I think Gammer is right in many things he said with exposure of Hardcore to new people.
But I really disagree massively with what you said about Hardcore is not Hardcore if it has EDM influences. Hardcore took on all Trance influences in 2000 so does that make it actually not real Hardcore because it sounds like Trance on speed?
The only true original UK Happy Hardcore sound is that of the early Bonkers and Hardcore Heavens from the 90s.
The music has to evolve. If it stays the same it will be left in the past like Eurodance. I'll happily admit I only buy Hardcore artists that incorporate the newer EDM sounds. Labels like TWR, Future World, Klubbed Up and some of the newer sounding stuff on Hardcore Underground, Lethal Theory and Evolution. I always flick a track very quickly if it sounds like a carbon copy from the 2000s Raver Baby era.
Hardcore is now more versatile than ever which is a good thing. If it all went like the 2000s Trance sound again with zero variety. I would stop buying for sure.
__________________________________
Let's ditch the candy & go back to the gym & streetwear at raves :)
ViolonC Average Member
Germany
243 posts Joined: Sep, 2014
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 07:08:12
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
The music has to evolve. If it stays the same it will be left in the past like Eurodance.
So many seem to neglect this. Even Eurodance evolved and the music was absorbed into Hands Up and/or washed away by the R&B wave early 2000. But the old Artists that didn't change died.
There is a 90s revival piling up at the moment and Happy Hardcore could benefit from this. But anyone believing this means anything about bringing back the old stuff has no clue whats happening.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,230 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 08:47:50
Well, compared to you, I actually buy tracks, no matter if it's old sounding or new sounding. I might give more flack over it, but it's not like I completly wont buy it anyways (which you seem to do).
__________________________________
---------------------------------------------
Samination, Swedish Hardcore DJ
Happy, UK Hardcore, Freeform, Makina and Gabber http://samination.se/ ---------------------------------------------
Claxton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,061 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 10:56:30
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
quote:Originally posted by Claxton:
So I decided to write a blog very much off the back of Gammer's. It's my first attempt at anything like this and non of my thoughts are particularly groundbreaking. Anyway, see what you think!
quote:Sadly, this is still very much the case. Despite Gammer & Darren remixing Justin Bieber, Dougal & Gammer getting the opportunity to play at Warehouse Project and said artists receiving DJ support from big names in dance music, I question whether the music is actually benefiting from this...
I agree with some of your blog but not all of it.
MCs, well they used to be more about flowing with the dj and the crowd. MC Ribbs at Club Kinetic is more the MCing I prefer. The rap here and there and interact with the crowd and the dj but without overtaking completely!! They still seem to do it like this in the Hardstyle scene. But for some reason a lot of the new MCs in the UK don't want to be a host but prefer to over talk with too much rapping at a million miles an hour. MC Storm started this over talking and seems every MC has been influenced by him.
As for music. I think Gammer is right in many things he said with exposure of Hardcore to new people.
But I really disagree massively with what you said about Hardcore is not Hardcore if it has EDM influences. Hardcore took on all Trance influences in 2000 so does that make it actually not real Hardcore because it sounds like Trance on speed?
The only true original UK Happy Hardcore sound is that of the early Bonkers and Hardcore Heavens from the 90s.
The music has to evolve. If it stays the same it will be left in the past like Eurodance. I'll happily admit I only buy Hardcore artists that incorporate the newer EDM sounds. Labels like TWR, Future World, Klubbed Up and some of the newer sounding stuff on Hardcore Underground, Lethal Theory and Evolution. I always flick a track very quickly if it sounds like a carbon copy from the 2000s Raver Baby era.
Hardcore is now more versatile than ever which is a good thing. If it all went like the 2000s Trance sound again with zero variety. I would stop buying for sure.
You've completely misinterpreted me there. No where did I say the word influenced. I said an EDM track at 170bpm.
Taking influences is fine. In fact it's a must if hardcore is to stay current and fashionable. But hardcore also needs its own sound. There's no point in just copying another genre identically and making it at 170bpm.
There's a balance to be had here and certain artists put it off well.
All new music that I play has to be fresh and modern with a decent standard of production unless it's musically exceptional and too good to be missed.
It's absolutely crucial that music evolves.
So in fact, you agree with me more than you think, you've just misinterpreted my words.
djDMS Advanced Member
United Kingdom
10,304 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
572 hardcore releases
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 11:26:34
I must have said this a hundred times but might as well do it again (first time this year though).
Taking influence from other genres is fine.
Blatant recreating or copying whole tracks/genres and whacking 30 or 40 BPM on top is not!
Yes, there's the old 'sped up trance' argument, but there were enough differences to know it was still Hardcore.
The latest (I hope) trend is the Hardstyle influenced stuff. The big difference being that it seems to be getting done properly so far and not just a full on rip off .
__________________________________
Taking my time to perfect the beat
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,230 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 12:16:32
I think Hardstyle is such a similar genre already it doesnt need much work
__________________________________
---------------------------------------------
Samination, Swedish Hardcore DJ
Happy, UK Hardcore, Freeform, Makina and Gabber http://samination.se/ ---------------------------------------------
wong Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,991 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 15:11:35
i cant get enough of the hardstyle influenced hardcore, i love it. or just pitching da tweekaz tracks up to 170 usually does the trick for me too
__________________________________
intensify the treatment
d2kx Junior Member
Germany
127 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 15:31:14
Good post, Claxton!
Also always interesting to hear from CDJay. I have always been a fan of both the Raver Baby/Future World/Together We Rise and the Hardcore Underground camps even though I understand that I usually sound like a PR person for Darren Styles & Gammer. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I am one of the very few/only persons in Germany who have most HU releases and especially main album series since HU1 (and love them!). But I also see why CDJay has every right to be as frustrated in working on projects that would benefit both sides as he is. Every sane person would have given up on everything long ago, if they didn't care so very much like he does. I'll try to work some magic(TM).
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,230 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 17:15:46
dont worry d2kx, C.Kay was the pr person for top tier on here :P Atleast you're still around.
__________________________________
---------------------------------------------
Samination, Swedish Hardcore DJ
Happy, UK Hardcore, Freeform, Makina and Gabber http://samination.se/ ---------------------------------------------
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 19:56:24
quote:Originally posted by Mickey Init:
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
I'll just leave this here...
Is Darwin wearing sunglasses inside?
Yea he's mentioned it numerous times the reason why he wears them is the rave lights really bother him since they usually hit directly at the DJ many times.
I always jokingly say he's channeling his inner DJ Mamy Rock...
Elipton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,268 posts Joined: Apr, 2013
Posted - 2016/01/04 : 06:15:17
Steve, on google images, when you select an image you can reverse search it for smaller resolutions..
quote:Originally posted by wong:
i cant get enough of the hardstyle influenced hardcore, i love it. or just pitching da tweekaz tracks up to 170 usually does the trick for me too
I think Da Tweekaz remix You & I a while ago and I enjoyed that. That's good networking with other genres as long as it goes beyond promoting the names of the original artists and does something for Hardcore. Alas, that might be something that is effective if done en masse.
Back in the day, labels would purposely commission remixes from artists from other genres and put them to press for the sake of diversity and to have a big name encourage sales. Inadvertently, of course, this brought people into the genre.
Luna-C's book is very insightful to the ways things worked back then. Perhaps it's a tradition we should have kept. However, there are certainly traditions we should have lost long ago.
Printer friendly
Posted - 2016/01/03 : 05:40:05
