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arpz
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 Posted - 2016/01/05 : 14:25:37
There's a difference between stating that you don't like the whole output rather than 'this is the worst dogshit that I've ever had the displeasure of stepping in', though.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 15:12:13
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Originally posted by Vladel:
I used to criticise f&d all the time and you lot moaned
I've always found that there's a certain bias toward them on here. I'm not surprised though, they're more personable and likable, not to mention they're represented by someone who's upfront and divulge in most stuff.
Just don't have any opinions that people won't like, they'll chase you out the door 
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GrahamC
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 15:38:12
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
I used to criticise f&d all the time and you lot moaned
I've always found that there's a certain bias toward them on here. I'm not surprised though, they're more personable and likable, not to mention they're represented by someone who's upfront and divulge in most stuff.
Spot on. I emailed Gammer about a couple of tracks about this time in 2013, still no reply. Anytime I post about or contact HU I get a reply in under 2 hours typically. Don't know if this is a word but the 'interactivity' you can have with them surpasses anything I have ever experienced except for Sy back in the day who was similarly responsive.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 16:02:21
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Originally posted by GrahamC:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
I used to criticise f&d all the time and you lot moaned
I've always found that there's a certain bias toward them on here. I'm not surprised though, they're more personable and likable, not to mention they're represented by someone who's upfront and divulge in most stuff.
Spot on. I emailed Gammer about a couple of tracks about this time in 2013, still no reply. Anytime I post about or contact HU I get a reply in under 2 hours typically. Don't know if this is a word but the 'interactivity' you can have with them surpasses anything I have ever experienced except for Sy back in the day who was similarly responsive.
What exactly did you say in the e-mail with Gammer? You know much of a sensitive twat he can be sometimes so you could have said something that pissed him off. And if you did, he more than likely made a facebook post out of it!
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GrahamC
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 16:43:15
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by GrahamC:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
I used to criticise f&d all the time and you lot moaned
I've always found that there's a certain bias toward them on here. I'm not surprised though, they're more personable and likable, not to mention they're represented by someone who's upfront and divulge in most stuff.
Spot on. I emailed Gammer about a couple of tracks about this time in 2013, still no reply. Anytime I post about or contact HU I get a reply in under 2 hours typically. Don't know if this is a word but the 'interactivity' you can have with them surpasses anything I have ever experienced except for Sy back in the day who was similarly responsive.
What exactly did you say in the e-mail with Gammer? You know much of a sensitive twat he can be sometimes so you could have said something that pissed him off. And if you did, he more than likely made a facebook post out of it!
I asked him if/when Nostalgia was coming out, obviously since then he very kindly gave away one of the best hardcore songs ever made IMO. I wish it had been given a vinyl release also but beggars can't be choosers and with the technological advancements in music sales it was always massively unlikely.
He must be following and reading this thread as he literally just replied! Thanks Gammer :) Since you are here reading this, how about engaging with us?
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 18:14:26
Barring the odd tune I can't say I get all the fuss about F&D, although I only ever seem to hear so much positivity about them on this forum. Not a pop at them, they just aren't to my taste obviously.
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Vladel
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 18:42:51
It does help the fact that they are approachable nice guys so I guess people wouldn't be as harsh as they would on someone who's known as being a bit of a diva.
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Claxton
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 22:05:19
Hey, isn't this the beauty of music. It's so subjective, we all like different things.
Every sound has its own premise and place in hardcore. But Hardcore must also have its own identity. That's what I meant in the blog when I talked about EDM at 170bpm. That's fine to exist as is Hardstyle at 170bpm, but Hardcore MUST have its own sound and identity otherwise it has no credibility.
Variety is the spice of life. I've always loved all kinds of hardcore. That's why my sets always feature breakbeat, freeform, ravey hardcore, cheesy hardcore, HU, TWR etc etc. That's also why I'm so pleased that HTID are starting to feature more variation in their line-ups again.
Here is a HTID line-up from Summer Gathering in 2004:
Hixxy b2b DJ Sy, Darren Styles, Re-Con, UFO b2b Breeze, CLSM,
Sharkey b2b Kevin Energy, M Zone, Druid, Gammer, G Spencer, Mark Ashley,
K Komplex b2b AMS, Ham, In Effect & Uplift
Here is a HTID line-up from Summer Gathering 2013:
Darren Styles - Gammer - Hixxy - Chris Unknown -Breeze - Dougal - Klubfiller
Marc Smith & Joey Riot - Technokore b2b JTS - Sc@r - Chris Fear
The difference in variety is crazy.
Latin also nailed why I love F&D as artists so much. Their sound is current and in touch with trends but also unique and distinct. They have their own sound, which isn't a carbon copy of another.
Hardcore must stay current to appeal, but being original is of equal importance.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 22:14:10
IE variety is key, and an accessible entry is similarly key. Always been true, all golden eras had a swathe of identifiably distinct yet hardcore artists and cliques.
If you front load one, and neglect the rest, the entire thing wobbles and can fall. See 2012.
Clearly no-one has hit on a winning invigorated stratagem yet (I am the first to admit 13/14 was damage control) but I doubt we'll find one solo. As I doubt others will.
Communication is key. The pieces are there. Peacocking ftl.
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Claxton
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 22:26:42
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Originally posted by CDJay:
IE variety is key, and an accessible entry is similarly key. Always been true, all golden eras had a swathe of identifiably distinct yet hardcore artists and cliques.
If you front load one, and neglect the rest, the entire thing wobbles and can fall. See 2012.
Clearly no-one has hit on a winning invigorated stratagem yet (I am the first to admit 13/14 was damage control) but I doubt we'll find one solo. As I doubt others will.
Communication is key. The pieces are there. Peacocking ftl.
CDJay
You're so correct!
Hardcore has a terrible track record at looking after its own too. We've lost so many stupidly talented artists who've gone on to achieve much bigger things. The one that always hurts me is Ham.
Everyone should support each other. That doesn't mean that Darren Styles should play a Shimamura track in his sets, that means on a promo level or working alongside each other, remixing for each others labels or collaborating on projects.
If everyone embraced each other, hardcore would just work so much better and it would be able to achieve so much more.
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 22:38:53
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Originally posted by CDJay:
IE variety is key, and an accessible entry is similarly key. Always been true, all golden eras had a swathe of identifiably distinct yet hardcore artists and cliques.
If you front load one, and neglect the rest, the entire thing wobbles and can fall. See 2012.
Clearly no-one has hit on a winning invigorated stratagem yet (I am the first to admit 13/14 was damage control) but I doubt we'll find one solo. As I doubt others will.
Communication is key. The pieces are there. Peacocking ftl.
CDJay
Referring to Ben's post about Summer Gathering, I personally feel that this year's Summer Gathering was the best varied lineup of 2015! Destructive Tendencies, Fracus & Darwin, us, Joey & Mob, Resuce & Outforce, Mark EG, CLSM, Slipmatt etc!
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Claxton
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 23:44:13
With regards to increasing the exposure of hardcore I've been having some thoughts and discussions with people.
- I don't see a downside in putting radio edits of hardcore tracks on Spotify. Those who buy the extended mixes are still heavily likely to buy the physical product or download.
- The same goes for YouTube. Still it would need to be radio edits but this time there would need to be visuals or video. A bit like the Luquicity channel. Something professional and popular. A go to channel for hardcore. Jordisuvi has done a great job, but it has the obvious Anime theme.
- The Dutch are fantastic at having after movies on YouTube to show off their events and music. Hardstyle and Hardcore events alike. Music videos are also a professional avenue.
I think that radio edits are crucial. Everyone must have played hardcore tracks to people from outside the genre and they've commented on the boring beats at the beginning or you've said, 'I'll just skip this bit'. Obviously we have mixes which combat this, but lots of people like to create their own playlists etc and they should be catered for. Hardcore is never going to be mainstream, but the listenability could be significantly increased to help people enjoy and relate with it.
Any other ideas?
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 23:47:53
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Originally posted by Claxton:
That's also why I'm so pleased that HTID are starting to feature more variation in their line-ups again.
Here is a HTID line-up from Summer Gathering in 2004:
Hixxy b2b DJ Sy, Darren Styles, Re-Con, UFO b2b Breeze, CLSM,
Sharkey b2b Kevin Energy, M Zone, Druid, Gammer, G Spencer, Mark Ashley,
K Komplex b2b AMS, Ham, In Effect & Uplift
Here is a HTID line-up from Summer Gathering 2013:
Darren Styles - Gammer - Hixxy - Chris Unknown -Breeze - Dougal - Klubfiller
Marc Smith & Joey Riot - Technokore b2b JTS - Sc@r - Chris Fear
The difference in variety is crazy.
Yea the difference in variety is crazy, but not in a good way. Looking at those lineups, it serves a better point that events have less of a variety lately! No freeform for the 2013 lineup. And you have the majority of those in that lineup playing not only their own material, but those from the same people within that lineup. And most of them play material with the same or very similar riffs and whatnot.
Thumpa gave us a much better example of the current variety.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2016/01/06 : 00:08:26
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Originally posted by Claxton:
Hardcore has a terrible track record at looking after its own too. We've lost so many stupidly talented artists who've gone on to achieve much bigger things. The one that always hurts me is Ham.
Everyone should support each other. That doesn't mean that Darren Styles should play a Shimamura track in his sets, that means on a promo level or working alongside each other, remixing for each others labels or collaborating on projects.
If everyone embraced each other, hardcore would just work so much better and it would be able to achieve so much more.
I totally agree with you Claxton! The most important point is that today's DJs and producers should completely stop to push their own produced tracks! Hardcore Music was the best at the point of time when people didn't care about when and who had produced any tracks. Nowadays it's all about being selfish and play your own crap! This kind of behaviour is modern since a few years and Hardcore Music has totally continued to die since then!
The Gabba scene seems to have understood the message, but the Happy ones are still motivated in killing each others.
In my home town, people have started to listen to Hardcore Music, but at the moment they are rather more interested to Rap-based depressing Gabba garbage than to push happy melodic tracks.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/01/06 : 07:28:05
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Originally posted by Warnman:
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Originally posted by Claxton:
Hardcore has a terrible track record at looking after its own too. We've lost so many stupidly talented artists who've gone on to achieve much bigger things. The one that always hurts me is Ham.
Everyone should support each other. That doesn't mean that Darren Styles should play a Shimamura track in his sets, that means on a promo level or working alongside each other, remixing for each others labels or collaborating on projects.
If everyone embraced each other, hardcore would just work so much better and it would be able to achieve so much more.
I totally agree with you Caxton! The most important point is that today's DJs and producers should completely stop to push their own produced tracks! Hardcore Music was the best at the point of time when people didn't care about when and who had produced any tracks. Nowadays it's all about being selfish and play your own crap! This kind of behaviour is modern since a few years and Hardcore Music has totally continued to die since then!
The Gabba scene seems to have understood the message, but the Happy ones are still motivated in killing each others.
In my home town, people have started to listen to Hardcore Music, but at the moment they are rather more interested to Rap-based depressing Gabba garbage than to push happy melodic tracks.
Where the FCUK have you been??!?!?!?! :o
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